traditional archery
in my french group "eponarc" we said that in Traditional Archery(TA)
bows cannot be coumpound nor have mechanical triggers or sights.
They have to be of traditional style such as asian,midle eastern(or native
american) with simple handles and without arrow shelves or shooting
windows .
in short :every archery style but not "FITA" style and coumpound style
http://jakpradere.blogspot.com/
bows cannot be coumpound nor have mechanical triggers or sights.
They have to be of traditional style such as asian,midle eastern(or native
american) with simple handles and without arrow shelves or shooting
windows .
in short :every archery style but not "FITA" style and coumpound style
http://jakpradere.blogspot.com/
Usually trad. archery competitions require no mechanical aids or sights. Arrow shelves might be acceptable. English longbows have them and we would accept the English longbow as traditional.
I would accept any bow that requires shooting 'around the bow', ie no window. Incidentally, the English Longbow has no shelf. Some Longbow variants or Flatbows have shelves. I see no problem with a shelf such as resting the arrow on the grip or similar, providing there is no cut out window.
yes may be you are right with "arrow shelf" and primitive archers accept arrow shelf
I want to say that at the end of XIX century and beginning of XX century archery have changed (surrely after 1930-1950) because of shooting window,sight,....so it become easier for shooting and that is not "traditional"
that easy archery give olympic way of shooting and coumponds and I think modern recurve :all of that is not traditional because traditional way of shooting is not the same.
do you agree?
(excuse me for my poor english)
I want to say that at the end of XIX century and beginning of XX century archery have changed (surrely after 1930-1950) because of shooting window,sight,....so it become easier for shooting and that is not "traditional"
that easy archery give olympic way of shooting and coumponds and I think modern recurve :all of that is not traditional because traditional way of shooting is not the same.
do you agree?
(excuse me for my poor english)
Stephen, maybe you meant American longbows or flatbows?
To be consistent with English rules ?English? longbows never have arrow shelves or rests, arrows are always shot off the hand and the greatest width of the bow is always in the handle area.
English bowyer Pip Bickerstaffe however makes right or left handed bows consistent with the rules, he removes a little of wood from the arrow side of the bow to allow easier arrow matching.
Of course we can see some (e.g. American) examples of English style longbows with rests and narrow handles.
Different organizations have different definitions for traditional equipment. Usually they allow for what Stephen said; shelves but now sights or stabilizers.
For example this year I attended a traditional 3D event in Sweden where there were two bow classes; Traditional (allowing only natural materials) and Instinctive (fiberglass), with my fiberglass Hungarian Grozer I had to shoot along with modern recurves and flatbows with shelves though I shoot off the hand :D, btw the organization was wonderful.
Sadly those different definitions and rules sometimes cause much heat and even serious quarrels among archers (e.g. English longbows with recurved limbs).
Sometimes we forget that the traditional Archery is mostly about pure pleasure of shooting?
One aspect of that pleasure is the diversity of traditional equipment.
But sometimes we do encounter ridiculous rules, there is a nice example (This is a quote from the rules of IFAA archery association );
If the bow you want to compete with is to be a natural composite it has to be?
Quote:
'f. The bow shall be constructed of wood or materials that were used during the period of the bow?s historical usage. Modern materials such as carbon, glass fibre and epoxy may not be used. The use of historic glues such as bone glue and hot tree resin is not permitted and only modern glues and adhesives shall be used for the riser and limbs!'
Full pdf here;
http://www.ifaa-archery.org/pages/IFAA% ... 202007.pdf
Go to the page 35 and then to the ?Historical Bow?
I won?t mention natural strings? (paragraph g.)
what do you think, horn composite bow enthusiasts? :lol:
To be consistent with English rules ?English? longbows never have arrow shelves or rests, arrows are always shot off the hand and the greatest width of the bow is always in the handle area.
English bowyer Pip Bickerstaffe however makes right or left handed bows consistent with the rules, he removes a little of wood from the arrow side of the bow to allow easier arrow matching.
Of course we can see some (e.g. American) examples of English style longbows with rests and narrow handles.
Different organizations have different definitions for traditional equipment. Usually they allow for what Stephen said; shelves but now sights or stabilizers.
For example this year I attended a traditional 3D event in Sweden where there were two bow classes; Traditional (allowing only natural materials) and Instinctive (fiberglass), with my fiberglass Hungarian Grozer I had to shoot along with modern recurves and flatbows with shelves though I shoot off the hand :D, btw the organization was wonderful.
Sadly those different definitions and rules sometimes cause much heat and even serious quarrels among archers (e.g. English longbows with recurved limbs).
Sometimes we forget that the traditional Archery is mostly about pure pleasure of shooting?
One aspect of that pleasure is the diversity of traditional equipment.
But sometimes we do encounter ridiculous rules, there is a nice example (This is a quote from the rules of IFAA archery association );
If the bow you want to compete with is to be a natural composite it has to be?
Quote:
'f. The bow shall be constructed of wood or materials that were used during the period of the bow?s historical usage. Modern materials such as carbon, glass fibre and epoxy may not be used. The use of historic glues such as bone glue and hot tree resin is not permitted and only modern glues and adhesives shall be used for the riser and limbs!'
Full pdf here;
http://www.ifaa-archery.org/pages/IFAA% ... 202007.pdf
Go to the page 35 and then to the ?Historical Bow?
I won?t mention natural strings? (paragraph g.)
what do you think, horn composite bow enthusiasts? :lol:
Thanks, Ashbow.
What strange rules! I wonder why the original text (and your quote) ends in an exclamation mark. Did they ever explain the rules?
S
What strange rules! I wonder why the original text (and your quote) ends in an exclamation mark. Did they ever explain the rules?
S
I haven?t contacted them yet but as I?m not an expert I think it would be good if someone with an authority on the subject, Stephen? could write to them and point out the issue of using the natural glues in bowmaking.
Jak,
I agree with you, that form of archery could never claim to be traditional in any way. However, I don't think archers who shoot compound or recurve would claim it to be traditional.
I participate in GNAS Field Archery competitions where the traditional class is open to modern recurves (minus sights, pressure button and stabilisers). The rules call for a fixed anchor and no string walking, wooden arrows of course.
This is the class that my wife and I have to enter with our Kassai Huns, it is not fair competition but we really don't care since we shoot for enjoyment, our competition is our previous scores.
Currently, the use of a thumb ring would put the archer in compound unlimited, since it is deemed a release aid.
Hopefully there may be some changes ahead as GNAS are considering including American Flatbow in its own classification and are asking for feedback. The lady who these replies are sent to happens to be a member of my club. Here is my response ....
With the current consideration being given to AFB, I offer my proposal for an Historical Classification instead. I have always maintained that a category such as this would provide an opening for those bows that currently find themselves disadvantaged in a 'Traditional' class, competing against modern equipment, effectively barebow with wooden arrows. There is a growing popularity in Asiatic Reflex bows (Horse Bows) so much so that at Pentref Bowmen alone there are seven archers who regularly shoot this type of bow. I am asking GNAS/Archery GB to please reconsider before approving only one bow type (AFB) when this bow and many others could be accomodated. I would also like to request a more realistic view of the thumb ring, particularly the Amgakji, teardrop type. This is the ring used in traditional Turkish archery and is most certainly not a release aid, its function is to protect the pad of the digit from string soreness, precisely the same as a finger tab.The Historical Classification could cater for this, allowing archers who presently find themselves only eligible to compete in Compound Unlimited. There is no marked advantage by using a thumb ring and at least Turkish or Chinese bows could by used in the traditional manner should the archer choose to do so.The Historical Classification would provide a more relaxed structure of rules, much the same as Traditional. Obviously arrows of natural material such as wood or bamboo, a fixed anchor etc but with fairer competition. Anything from a Meare Heath or Holmegaard to the AFB would find a place in this category and this can only be good for archery as a whole.
So now we wait and hope they will see sense.
Ashbow,
Yes the composite rules of IFAA certainly made me laugh too, sort of contradictary.
We recently hosted the FITA World Field Archery Tournament in South Wales. FITA does not even recognise traditional !?!
I agree with you, that form of archery could never claim to be traditional in any way. However, I don't think archers who shoot compound or recurve would claim it to be traditional.
I participate in GNAS Field Archery competitions where the traditional class is open to modern recurves (minus sights, pressure button and stabilisers). The rules call for a fixed anchor and no string walking, wooden arrows of course.
This is the class that my wife and I have to enter with our Kassai Huns, it is not fair competition but we really don't care since we shoot for enjoyment, our competition is our previous scores.
Currently, the use of a thumb ring would put the archer in compound unlimited, since it is deemed a release aid.
Hopefully there may be some changes ahead as GNAS are considering including American Flatbow in its own classification and are asking for feedback. The lady who these replies are sent to happens to be a member of my club. Here is my response ....
With the current consideration being given to AFB, I offer my proposal for an Historical Classification instead. I have always maintained that a category such as this would provide an opening for those bows that currently find themselves disadvantaged in a 'Traditional' class, competing against modern equipment, effectively barebow with wooden arrows. There is a growing popularity in Asiatic Reflex bows (Horse Bows) so much so that at Pentref Bowmen alone there are seven archers who regularly shoot this type of bow. I am asking GNAS/Archery GB to please reconsider before approving only one bow type (AFB) when this bow and many others could be accomodated. I would also like to request a more realistic view of the thumb ring, particularly the Amgakji, teardrop type. This is the ring used in traditional Turkish archery and is most certainly not a release aid, its function is to protect the pad of the digit from string soreness, precisely the same as a finger tab.The Historical Classification could cater for this, allowing archers who presently find themselves only eligible to compete in Compound Unlimited. There is no marked advantage by using a thumb ring and at least Turkish or Chinese bows could by used in the traditional manner should the archer choose to do so.The Historical Classification would provide a more relaxed structure of rules, much the same as Traditional. Obviously arrows of natural material such as wood or bamboo, a fixed anchor etc but with fairer competition. Anything from a Meare Heath or Holmegaard to the AFB would find a place in this category and this can only be good for archery as a whole.
So now we wait and hope they will see sense.
Ashbow,
Yes the composite rules of IFAA certainly made me laugh too, sort of contradictary.
We recently hosted the FITA World Field Archery Tournament in South Wales. FITA does not even recognise traditional !?!
Orda,
What can I say? whish you all luck. Hope the rules will change.
What can I say? whish you all luck. Hope the rules will change.
In the new IFAA rules for 2009 there is no more restriction on using natural glues, good :)
Good. A positive step.
[quote="Orda Khan"]Jak,
I agree with you, that form of archery could never claim to be traditional in any way.
Hi orda Khan I dont understand why you said that:may be my english is bad but I said:
since at least 12000 years BC all archery style is traditional
but "modern" style are not traditional:
I mean :all bow with a "window" are not traditional:all "modern recurve" and coumpound are not traditional
what is traditional is the way of shooting (I call it the "style") not the bow itself
for exemple: a modern hwarang korean bow(with carbon) is traditional
because we shoot it"traditionally" but american flatbow with a window is
not traditional even in wood because the way of whooting is not traditional
Around 1900 bowyers develop "modern " bow:(window,sight,....) that
make shooting easier and this is not traditional
I agree with you, that form of archery could never claim to be traditional in any way.
Hi orda Khan I dont understand why you said that:may be my english is bad but I said:
since at least 12000 years BC all archery style is traditional
but "modern" style are not traditional:
I mean :all bow with a "window" are not traditional:all "modern recurve" and coumpound are not traditional
what is traditional is the way of shooting (I call it the "style") not the bow itself
for exemple: a modern hwarang korean bow(with carbon) is traditional
because we shoot it"traditionally" but american flatbow with a window is
not traditional even in wood because the way of whooting is not traditional
Around 1900 bowyers develop "modern " bow:(window,sight,....) that
make shooting easier and this is not traditional
Tradition is to do things as they were done, modern bows having windows are not following the tradition, hence my comment.
ok orda khan we said the same things
sorry because I mistake when I read you....my english is too bad!!!!!!!
sorry because I mistake when I read you....my english is too bad!!!!!!!