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Some pictures of composite bows from the web(url)

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Alam ed Din, Adnan
Thank you Jiao
I have removed it already
MJuingong
Gentlemen
:

Thank you for those pictures, and guides to those sites.
MJuingong
Alam ed Din, Adnan
The following will be pictures of bows that are for sale at an online auction.
Some of the crab bows have already been sold for as little as 300 EUR.


you can visit the site yourself, but unless you know German,you might
have difficulty in finding the bows there. There is additional data on these
bows on the site.....
[url] http://www.hermann-historica.com/

Greetings & Salaam
Alam ed Din, Adnan
Another......
Alam ed Din, Adnan
Steelbow and others.......
Arrowhead
Thanking to your the picture friend , India bends at the ox horn face and also does the decoration , and is different with our the China bow .I does not know that of bark is He Yang's .
It is very handsome really .
Alam ed Din, Adnan
For those who can't find the bows on the site, I will explain:

go to:

[url] http://www.hermann-historica.com/

next: on the left under recent auctions, tick on " auction 46 "

next: of the four visible cataloges, tick on " antique Arms & Armour........."

next: enter into the searchbar the German word " Reflexbogen " and search

Now you should have found it.

(This isn't meant as an advertisement of the site, but just to view the bows)
MJuingong
Thank you.

Btw, I note "breite" as preceding centimetric measurements. The German language dictionary I have indicates "breit" to mean wide. Do the Germans use the word "breit" (or "breite") to refer to bow length?
Alam ed Din, Adnan
MJuingong,
Normally what they would say in reference to lenght, would be"L?nge".
I don't kow why at this point they used"Breite". What they meant was lenght
of the unstrung bow anyway. Its a sort of spelling mistake.

Salaam
Bede
I have noticed in some older German publications that they measure the length of the bow as the widest distance the unstrung bow covers. This is meaningless because the reflex of the bow varies with usage and storage conditions. It is good for working out how big a box you need to ship the bow in.

It is possible the terms may have become confused because someone was using older books for research.
Alam ed Din, Adnan
Bede
You are right. For some reason they do not really care a lot.......
On the other hand, ignorance can be good as you can often find old bows in
good condition at a very reasonable price at German auctions.
Adam Karpowicz
It seems "Breite" means "span" in this case.


Adam
Alam ed Din, Adnan
Adam, merhaba to you.
Nice to meet you here. I have been chatting quiet a lot on ATARN these
days -- and I've learnt a lot........

(There is a word for "span" in German which is "Spanne" or "Spannbreite")

Greetings & Salaam
Alam ed Din, Adnan
Some quiver styles..........
jiao
you ard must take care chinese old hornbow, more of them are new made(1-5years),also it has a big diifer ,some one are best some one a badly
Alam ed Din, Adnan
There is a mughal bow for sale(online catalogue-auction # 50)
http://www.hermann-historica.com/
Open auction # 50 and enter "REFLEXBOGEN" into the search bar.
(If one is interested in arrows, one may enter"PFEILE" as well -- they got some Mughal arrows for sale.......)
It says only the back of the bow is covered with thin leather while the belly side looks as if white horn has been used.
Also a turkish quiver & arrows are for sale here......
Thomas Duvernay
For some reason, I can't find a search function.
Stephen Selby
Sorry Thomas,
I'll explain it better....the search funtion will only be there after you opened a catalogue
1 On the left, under current auctions, open online catalogues
2 Then open the first of the catalogues:Antique Arms & Armour,
Antiquities, Miscellanea
3 The search bar is at the top of the page
4 Enter in German ie. "Reflexbogen" or "Pfeile" into the search bar.

This is the translation of the German text with the Indo-Persian:
Indo-Persian bow, 16./19. century. Hunting bow made of horn and sinew glued together.The outer side is covered with leather and has fine golden paint over brownish black colour, the belly side is made of polished horn with two string brigdes of bone.Wooden nocks with signsture in arabic script. Very good condition. Span 68cm.

As far as I know one can request extra pictures for an item.(they turned me down twice).But I think its possible.
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Alam ed Din, Adnan
Adam Karpowicz
This is a Crim-Tatar style bow, not Indo-Persian. These bow had great draw weights around 120lb when drawn to 32-4in. Nice horn.

Adam
Alam ed Din, Adnan
merhaba Adam

Adam, do you think this is steer's horn?
Adam Karpowicz
I may be wrong. The white colour could actually be paint.

Adam
Bede
The photo in http://hindunet.org/saraswati/kaman.jpg is from the George Stone book, A Glossary of Arms and Armor..., which was published in the first half of the 20th century. While there is much of interest in it, recent research has overturned some of the ideas expressed by the author. Looking at the other photos from that web site, they all seem to come from Stone.

There are many recycled photographs on the net that are neither acknowledged nor set in their context.
TradArcher
Found on Herman Historica auction portal:

"A large Ottoman reflex bow, circa 1700. A strong bow of horn and sinew, with hardwood nocks. The entire surface has a fine covering of birch bark and is lavishly painted with geometric decoration and fine floral ornamentation in several colours. Colour finish worn, defects. Length 115 cm."

Best
Janek
Bede
Janek,
This looks like a small Sind bow, though it could be Persian. The limbs are completely covered and the angles of the parts of the siyahs and grip suggest Sind as the origin. They are interesting a rare bows. Any collection would benefit from one.
jack farrell
I agree that this is probably a Sind bow of India, maybe not as old as expected. It was most likely left strung for a hundred years as a display. The usual shape reflexes dramatically from the grip.

Unusual shaping because of being strung a long time is often seen in burial bows.

I once saw a collection of Indo-Persian material. One arrow had a small nail hole which had split the bamboo shaft. I was told that the entire collection had come from a hotel in China where it had been displayed on the walls for one hundred years. The purchaser had bought the collection for the guns and sold the archery items (after storing them for another 40 years). No wonder the fletches were mostly missing.

Some members might own items of this collection, which were sold on ebay. -j-
TradArcher
I completly agree with you and Im sure that it was strung for decades. My first impression was that it should look like this :)

All the best from Warsaw
Janek
jack farrell
Janek; Thats it! well done.

Did you see the price? This is another attribute of auctions. By stating that it is a Turkish bow it is elevated to a complete other price range. If you look around the site you will probably find a disclaimer that the label on the catalog is not a guarantee of authenticity. When buying antiquities there are certificates of authenticity and appraisals. Neighter is any good without the other.

In fact it is a bit crazy buying such an item without knowing all about such things.

Caveat emptor. -j-
Bede
I have seen Sind bows end up looking that way from use. They reflex again if left belly up in the sun. However, it is just as likely that the curvature comes from being left strung on a wall somewhere as suggested.