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hands-on demo for university students

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Justin Ma
I practice archery w/ the club at the university where I work. For outreach, the club teaches an archery course for credit, and this weekend they invited me to lead a hands-on demo about Asian archery. I set up two rows of ping-pong balls on the grass at 3 m and 6 m (an idea from Stephen's videos), as well as a bail at 10 m. When each subgroup had their turn with me, I had three lines of folks shoot at the ping-pong balls at partial draw, as well as the bail at full draw. Since I had 20 minutes with each group, I had to give very quick explanations to leave more time for the students to shoot. (But I did give them printouts with diagrams to study on their own time: http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~jtma/chines ... yFlyer.pdf )

A number of people were visibly hesitant because this was a very different style. However, 30--40% of the people took to it naturally and were able to shoot near the balls and hit the bail (though more often, people shot over the bail :). In the end, some people thought the style was very unusual. But others actually felt it was rather intuitive. The highpoint was when a few people from one group asked whether I'd be back next weekend to let them shoot Asian-style. Fortunately (or unfortunately) for them, I have to come back again next weekend since a few groups didn't get to shoot with me.

Ideally, I'd work with each group for a longer period of time, but I won't always have that luxury. This is my first time trying to lead a larger group, so the experience was valuable. I've noticed some common mistakes first-timers make, so I'll have to adjust my explanations accordingly. At the very least, I hope to have sparked some of their interest in Asian archery.
Artemiz
Good job, the more interest the better.
daryush
Congrats!

:D
Stephen Selby
Justin, the Asian style is particularly good for young kids if you can get your hands on soft bows. But you also need to warn your clients that as soon as they go and shoot with FITA archers, they'll be told that everything they're doing is 'wrong'... :x
Thomas Duvernay
I have taught archery classes in the university before and will do so again soon. Good luck with what you are doing.
Justin Ma
Tom, glad you've got them hooked! I don't think I've seen the black bows in the 2nd and 3rd pictures before. What is the make, model and draw weight of those?
Thomas Duvernay

Justin Ma wrote:

Tom, glad you've got them hooked! I don't think I've seen the black bows in the 2nd and 3rd pictures before. What is the make, model and draw weight of those?

Justin,

Those were bows that were made by Yeonmugung several years ago. They were prototypes for the bows used in the movie Alexander. Oliver Stone's production company bought 195 of them from me and then had their props people dress them up for the movie. I saw them used again in other movies. However, YMG never received any credit for them, which seems to be a common thing to do in the movie industry.
Bede
Good work, Justin.
Justin Ma
Thought I'd post a slightly more detailed version of what I posted on the Facebook ATARN discussion board.

So far we've gotten 5 new people interested in shooting Asian and Chinese style in Berkeley, where we shoot with the university club. A few of them already shoot recurve and compound but enjoy shooting Asiatic bows as a change of pace. Fellow ATARNite PaleoNinja is part of the group as well! We've ordered Kayas, Samick SKBs, and we'll shortly receive an equipment order from China --- some good times ahead.

I directed another person to the Kyudo dojo in Emeryville. I haven't seen her in a while, but I hope she will be able to come back to shoot with the club in the future. I feel it's important for Asian-style practitioners to mingle with recurve and compound shooters --- I (naively) like to believe archery is archery, no matter what equipment you shoot. Plus, you never know whose interest you'll pique when they see your exotic Asiatic equipment!
Orda Khan
My experience is they may show plenty of interest, for a laugh but never seriously. The thought of not hitting the 'X' is something they could never live with.
Ashbow
I share Justin's beliefe, ha, archery is archery. Fortunately I've met quite a few of compound and recurve achers that share the same beliefe and don't care what type of equipment do you shoot, if there is respect, there is often a lot to be learnt from each other, no matter what you shoot.

Congrats Justin.
daryush

Orda Khan wrote:

My experience is they may show plenty of interest, for a laugh but never seriously. The thought of not hitting the 'X' is something they could never live with.

Haha, I guess this is a British thing. Same experience here.

Congrats Justin :-)
Ashbow
Contradiction perhaps, but I've mostly had good experience dealing with archers in England, hope you'll be treated with due respect in the future guys.
Justin Ma
I was invited again to give a hands-on demo for Asian traditional archery. This time I recorded some video footage. I gave the initial intro lessons on April 3rd, but by popular demand I returned the following two weeks to set up the Asian traditional archery station (the last part of the video shows a follow-up session on April 17th). This time around, I had assistants!

Here's the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzhA0AsNx6U

At least a few of the students said that this style "feels more natural" than FITA recurve. My current dilemma is not only do I need more 20/25# bows, but some people are progressing to the point that I need extra 30/35# bows.