Isinglass
I found a strange source of Isinglass, never tried (caveat):
http://www.northernbrewer.com/brewing/i ... 45-ml.html
Im not sure about the quality of this for our purposes...
http://www.northernbrewer.com/brewing/i ... 45-ml.html
Im not sure about the quality of this for our purposes...
:) thats not for us.Its for beer and vine cleaning.
Thanks Dusan!
jaja, not all is making bows...home-made beer every now and then...
jaja, not all is making bows...home-made beer every now and then...
I don't know if this has been posted before, but I recall seeing isinglass on this site:
http://www.ginellames.fr/us/accueil/index.php
http://www.ginellames.fr/us/accueil/index.php
Dusan, why do you think it does not work as glue or glue add on. Does it contain silicic acid or some other additive making it unsuitable as glue?
I dont want to put these words in Dusan mouth but my best guess is that this product contains god knows what...i am not sure about powderish things, since they have broken up bonds in long molecules, the ones that need to rebond by moisture and heat...? therefore I double agree with Dusan
An old post is coming up. Some information about issinglas
Issinglas/fish bladder consist of pure collagen. These are the swim bladder of fishes respectively only from sturgeon. The fish bladders are cleaned, dried and beached fish bladders. These are put together during the drying and then cut into white leaves. The Isinglass is directly imported from the big sturgeon farms. They are dried in their original condition, lightly yellow and full of high-class collagen. An increase of the adhesive power is impossible.
Issinglass is also used for the clarification of high-class wines. Also here it is to say, the more the issinglass is a high-quality product, the more you can decrease the dosage. Especially in Chinese cooking, Issinglas is used for delicious soups and dressings - hen haoche!
Applications:
Fabrication of musical instruments, fiddlesticks, clarification of wine
Suppliers in Europe:
http://www.mehr-als-werkzeug.de/product ... sf?lang=en
http://kremer-pigmente.de/en/blog/isinglass-glue
http://www.hellmann-leim.de/de/3.7_prod ... blase.html
About food:
http://www.kochland.de/Hausenblasenleim ... 81_93.html
Big supplier from China/hometown of my wife
Contact: Gary Huang
CHEMaster International Inc.
Address:
RM1402 Doublestar Golden Seacoast 7#,
No.5 Guizhou Road, Qingdao, China 266001
Tel: 0086-532-85760913 EXT807;
Fax:0086-532-85761013
For bow making: the core/horns I coat with 5-7 thin layers of issinglue, then I start mixing hide glue (2/3) with issinglas (1/3) for the last 2-3 layers before clamping the two elements together. This mix is very efficient in using yew cores - So far I processed 5 yew cores - no failure, no delamination (the same for the other maple cores...)
Reto
Issinglas/fish bladder consist of pure collagen. These are the swim bladder of fishes respectively only from sturgeon. The fish bladders are cleaned, dried and beached fish bladders. These are put together during the drying and then cut into white leaves. The Isinglass is directly imported from the big sturgeon farms. They are dried in their original condition, lightly yellow and full of high-class collagen. An increase of the adhesive power is impossible.
Issinglass is also used for the clarification of high-class wines. Also here it is to say, the more the issinglass is a high-quality product, the more you can decrease the dosage. Especially in Chinese cooking, Issinglas is used for delicious soups and dressings - hen haoche!
Applications:
Fabrication of musical instruments, fiddlesticks, clarification of wine
Suppliers in Europe:
http://www.mehr-als-werkzeug.de/product ... sf?lang=en
http://kremer-pigmente.de/en/blog/isinglass-glue
http://www.hellmann-leim.de/de/3.7_prod ... blase.html
About food:
http://www.kochland.de/Hausenblasenleim ... 81_93.html
Big supplier from China/hometown of my wife
Contact: Gary Huang
CHEMaster International Inc.
Address:
RM1402 Doublestar Golden Seacoast 7#,
No.5 Guizhou Road, Qingdao, China 266001
Tel: 0086-532-85760913 EXT807;
Fax:0086-532-85761013
For bow making: the core/horns I coat with 5-7 thin layers of issinglue, then I start mixing hide glue (2/3) with issinglas (1/3) for the last 2-3 layers before clamping the two elements together. This mix is very efficient in using yew cores - So far I processed 5 yew cores - no failure, no delamination (the same for the other maple cores...)
Reto
Thanks Reto! for ellaborating, even more now we have been talking about yew...you clarify your proportions...is there a reason for the mixing with hide glue? any reason you reached this proportion, or just trial and error?
Thnak You Reto
Thnak You Reto
Try and error, while coating my first hornbow (with yew core) I slopped the pot with issinglass, but fortunately I still had some hide glue, therefore I mixed the two and my experience was very positive since then....
Some discoveries are just pure chance...works for me
Reto and all ,
do you have a problem if you take full advantage isinglass of gluing horn / wood (acer tataricum)? I have three cores bonded with isinglass but I do not know yet the outcome.
graces!
do you have a problem if you take full advantage isinglass of gluing horn / wood (acer tataricum)? I have three cores bonded with isinglass but I do not know yet the outcome.
graces!
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Friends, please read older posts in Atarn . There is all about glues... Its imposible answer again and again ... in the same "new"question.
Thanks Dusan for the hint! Appreciated.
Well, in short - this clearing isinglas is only solution from pure glue./often 1%/ and soaked in vine acid...
Thank you Dusan
Dusan
I know it probably has a lot things written in ATARN. maybe we do not find the topic? I would be grateful if you help with a link, or your experience. most often read - isinglass = high price. is this the most important? I would appreciate any assistance or direction.
thanks!
I know it probably has a lot things written in ATARN. maybe we do not find the topic? I would be grateful if you help with a link, or your experience. most often read - isinglass = high price. is this the most important? I would appreciate any assistance or direction.
thanks!
Pazuzu
If you try with the search toolkit, you will be able to find many instances in which the glue has been brought to attention. In my free time, generally at some airport lounge, I sit and spend quite some time there, and find a heck of a lot of really valuable info. I will try to screen them and find some of them that might be of help, ... and of course, Im positive that everyone here is open to questions/answers rounds.
As to myself, as of lately Ive decided to stop radically buying materials. This comes motivated by many of the people here who really craft the bows from scratch and serve me well as inspiration...as to the glue, this is the only item I cannot tackle with well, I remember a very good post here from someone showing how to make isinglass from the fish itself...lots of very illustrative pictures...it is not a very old one, I remember still seeing posts from April or May...
Good luck in your search.
If you try with the search toolkit, you will be able to find many instances in which the glue has been brought to attention. In my free time, generally at some airport lounge, I sit and spend quite some time there, and find a heck of a lot of really valuable info. I will try to screen them and find some of them that might be of help, ... and of course, Im positive that everyone here is open to questions/answers rounds.
As to myself, as of lately Ive decided to stop radically buying materials. This comes motivated by many of the people here who really craft the bows from scratch and serve me well as inspiration...as to the glue, this is the only item I cannot tackle with well, I remember a very good post here from someone showing how to make isinglass from the fish itself...lots of very illustrative pictures...it is not a very old one, I remember still seeing posts from April or May...
Good luck in your search.