ATARNarchive

Sind hornbow form?

16 posts2011live thread
Kviljo
I've spent the last few days roughing out, boiling and bending turkish and crab cores, as I got hold of quite a bit of maple some weeks ago. I want to use all of it now when it is still green, but I'm thinking it would be good to try some different types of bows too.

Looking through Grayson's recent magnificent book, I'm thinking perhaps I could use some of my turkish core-forms to make a Sind type bow. The length and angles of the tip and kasan seems to be very similar.

What typological differences are there in the outer siyah-parts of the turkish and sind bows?


I was thinking the same for the tatar bows, but they seem to have both longer tips and kasans.
Dusan
:D you realy asked or only desire confirmation hear what you think ..? :lol:
Kviljo
Feel free to comment in any way that suits you... :wink:
jiao
can you post the maple picture?tree, split, wood rings and others
Kviljo
There are a few other pictures of the bent maple in my other threads here on the forum. I may be able to take some pictures of the processing of the cores later, if you want.

Here is the turkish form I'm thinking of using for the sind-bow(s)

[external image]
jiao
i only imagine and interest you are in forest of Norway cut the maple and carry it to your car on the snow land. that is a hard work and maybe meeting the bear or tiger
Dusan
:lol: or angry Loky ...
jiao
what are Loky?

in china if you cut one tree you need pay 4000rmb amercement, but no one care you cut one if you cut trees for truck that will be big trouble. or wind break the tree the die tree the lie down tree you can got it for free, in wood market lots wood lay the wall , it is very hard you choose one not need move other one,at least buy 10 trees if you say buy one the seller will not care you......also lots board has cuted you need buy stere, on internet i can buy one board but i can not see and choose one like the gambling
Kviljo
I think Dusan is referring to the Norse/viking god Loki, hehe. But I don't think I will set him off, as there apparently is too much of the sycamore-maple here. In fact, it is seen as a "weed" that should be eradicated.

Actually where I live there is not too many usable trees, as it is too windy and most of the trees has been cut for farm-land. My grandfather had a large maple tree in his garden though, that I've gotten quite a few cores out of. When the snow has gone, I will have to go get the rest of the tree.

As to the carnivores, there is a large debate going on wether we should have them in our country or not... We have in total about 30 wolves in the whole of Norway, and still a few are being shot each year... It's really sad. The farmers let their sheep roam loose, and make a huge fuss each time one is killed :roll:
Dusan
:shock: 30 wolfs ?!!!? I thing in your country was every 1km quadratic 20 wolfs :shock:
Here in central Europa -Slovakia we have more than 500 wolfs! Brown Bears , Wild cats and many Lynx ! :lol:
And you have-(I envy !) more strong birch very similar Siberian birches- what is a based wood for old Turks, Mongols, Huns ...
Kviljo
Yep, it's kind of embarrassing... One would think that we had the resources to keep a few wolves. Even the farmers earn more from sheep being eaten by wolves than sending them to the slaughterhouse. :roll:

It's interesting what you say about the birch. Which species are you thinking of?
Dusan
Silver Birch, White Bark Birch /Betula pendula var.Platyphylla, pubescens/ .Birch have many variation. I mean mostly climat , temperature and wheater conditions what was very close to Baykal territory.
Our birch in central Europe is not this ... I was broke about 5 hornbows try use our birch... Evan in this dont open generation have one :roll:
Bede
Have you see McEwen's chapter in Elgood's Islamic Arms and Armour, London, Scolar Press, 1979? The chapter is called "The chahar-kham or 'four-curved' bow of India" and it contains cross sections of a nine piece core with horn and sinew attached. It also has a complete description of the dissection of the bow. The wood is said to be like "rain-tree wood" or Samanea saman. It was only 1/8th inch thick in the centre of the bending section. The horn was 1/4th inch at that point and convex in cross section. The sinew completely covered the bow though it was very thin on the belly. The siyahs consisted of three pieces spliced together; one for the kasan and two for the tip.
Kviljo
Dusan: I'm a bit hesitant at using birch for core wood too, after my second turkish that failed. That one had the wrong grain orientation, however, and was kiln dried... We do have some medieval two-wood bows that are made from birch and compression pine though.

Bede: Nope, haven't seen that one. Thanks for the reference. - I hope the library is up for the job. It sounds like an interesting siyah-construction, and a very interesting chapter. Looking forward to reading it and hopefully trying to put one together.
jiao
Norway acreage 385155km quadratic,every 1km quadratic 20 wolfs?i think peoples need a string for hold the wolf for walk, i am not so dread wolf bear tiger but dread snake araneid more,i see a movie in Siberian three mans take captive a tig,i guess if i has a spear for bear tiger a sword for wolf enough

the tree often has a twisty grain in most big wind area ,the bark's crack often show how the grain growth but can not use for birch glabrate bark,also i can got lot's cheap twist yew, i want to try split it for 50cm long 1cm wide and straight it for the core, :?
Dusan
Yes , but in this huge Norway km live 1 man in 20 km :lol: , maybe in 50km ...In this climate wood more than twist layed more thiny grains !