does anybody have a good supplier of brasilwood? I ran out of stocks..
You know you need it for Turkish bakkam type nocks.
Thanks
G?kmen Altınkulp
Hakan Bakla
Merhaba Gokmen,
I may check a few places for some brazilwood for you. I read that a few people had trouble with customs since custom regulations are not that easy for woods.
How did you get your previous stock sent to you, shipped by a carrier company ?
How much and how urgent you need it ? I may send a few pounds in june if I find here and my parents have any space in their luggage.
Hakan Bakla
Vancouver BC
jack farrell
Do Brazilwood cross sections look like a starfish or butterfly etc., with a very small heartwood? Does anyone have a cross section to show?
Gokmen
Jack, please have a look at the attachments, there seem to have been two types of bakkam arrangement on the nocks, one where the string rests on the shaft and only the nock lips are bakkam. Second, the left and right parts of the bakkam build a whole nock as seen in the pic
jkekoni
There is a reson why it is hard to get.
Brazilwood, Pau-Brasil, Pau de Pernambuco and Ibirapitanga
<Caesalpinia echinata>
Conservation status
Endangered (IUCN 2.3)
(Wikipedia)
How about using water buffalo horn or other dense hardwood such as osage or bulletwood?
Then I was wondering if you mean:
PERSHIAN LILAC (bakkam neem)
But there is nothing to refer brazil...
Gokmen
Jack, I read your message too fast and misunderstood you, sorry, I have no cross section of the tree/wood.
Hakan, thank you very much, it is very kind of you. I have a friend who is living in Brazil, he sent us the wood. However this is not a long term solution, and a lot of hassle for the friend. (and it would be hassle for you too).
I would need a commercial supplier which could send me and my friends larger amounts regularly.
I hoped to find it in Dick.biz or highland horn company for example but unfortunately didnt.
Jkekoni, our ancestors, the Ottomans used a hard wood which they called 'bakkam', which we call brazilwood today, but of course it didnt come from Brazil in the old days. They imported it from India as far as I know. And note that the borders of the country 'India' were different too in the old days. So chances are good that it came from parts of Iran. Do we have Iranian Atarn members? Maybe they can investigate which exact tree it was. That would help a lot actually as no research like that has been done in the past.
As to trying different materials, well a bakkam gez is a bakkam gez, a bashpare gez is a bashpare gez, I could use horn but then it is not a bakkam gez anymore. The Ottomans were in the middle of the traderoutes so they had access to all kinds of goods and woods, there is a reason to everything they did in archery. Ebony for example is very heavy and would slow down the flight arrow which would be typically about 10-12 grams.
cheers
Gokmen Altinkulp
jkekoni
Ignore this article. Read the next one. Thank you.
in the old days.
It may be helpfull to know what you mean by "old days".
Flight archery was still done in late 1800's AFAIK, so there a Brazilian wood is possible.
It is also possible that bakkam meant different spiecies producing (perhaps?) similar wood on different time, so bakkam in 1400's meant something imported from india and 1900's something else imported from Brazil and those spicies are not related, save color and perhaps working properties.
AFAIK same spicies did not grow on american and eurasian contents(??)
OK. I do not really know anything I just used google and some common reasoning.
And in general I discourage anyone to buy endangered woods, even with legal paperwork, since the legal paperwork is often produced by corrupt authorities for illegally logged timber instead of cultivated trees.
<Caesalpinia echinata> and <Caesalpinia Sappan> are botannically related and it is possible that same "trade name" is used for both. (trade names often combine not only related but unrelated spicies as well.)
hi Gokmen.
Brasil or rosewood you can to buy in any shop for violinmakers or in the shop for knifemakers. As I knou, you can use goathorn too.
But I?m using any types of hardwood and bamboo too. It isn?t traditional, but it works well :lol:
Bede
As you already know, there are several types of wood called brazil wood. The South and South-East Asian ones would probably have been more available to the Osmanlis. There is also evidence of ebony being used in Turkey for nocks too. Though it is a bit tricky to work, I have made başpare nocks from ebony and they worked on flight arrows.
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