Experiences with Saluki and Grozer bows
Hi all. I would like to hear some thoughts from the members on their experiences with either of the above bowyers, their quality of service and bow quality, waiting times, any problems etc ... ( wouldn't mind hearing about other bowyers either for that matter : ) ) I've tried contacting Lukas at saluki through the order form on his website, been waiting well over a month for a reply.
I've also been in contact with Grozer about ordering a specific bow, a short Turkish biocomposite. It appears he doesnt make bows to order but you can register a request for a bow and hope that he makes it for his next batch of bows for in stock ordering. I found this a bit odd as after reading through his website I was under the impression that he made bows to order as well as just batches for in stock ordering.
Any info would be great. Thanks in advance.
I've also been in contact with Grozer about ordering a specific bow, a short Turkish biocomposite. It appears he doesnt make bows to order but you can register a request for a bow and hope that he makes it for his next batch of bows for in stock ordering. I found this a bit odd as after reading through his website I was under the impression that he made bows to order as well as just batches for in stock ordering.
Any info would be great. Thanks in advance.
I have bought three bows from Grozer. Two of the old TRH laminated and later a hornbow.
No problems, things took some weeks to Norway. My hornbow was from stock, I think maybe the other two also. Can't quite remember now. All bows still work well. The hornbow has been my day to day bow for some years now.
No problems, things took some weeks to Norway. My hornbow was from stock, I think maybe the other two also. Can't quite remember now. All bows still work well. The hornbow has been my day to day bow for some years now.
Hi lurz. What draw weights are your bows ? I seem to remember reading somewhere that Grozers higher draw weight bows were unreliable ? Very unsure of the credibility of what I read though.
Hi Zotski,
I own a Grozer Short Turkish Biocomposite with 54lbs and one with 41lbs. I don't shoot the 55 much, it stacks too heavily. The 41lbs I shot with some pleasure, but then the "horn" belly cracked. The bow still had guarantee and it was repaired by Grozer which took some 8 weeks.
The real advantage of these bows is that they look historically correct. Imho, they are not the most dynamic bows, however. The 54lbs weighs 410g, the 41lbs even 440g...
I do not own a Saluki bow, but have heard only positive things about them.
If you are looking for an alternative, Sylwester Styrczula makes a beautiful, light Turkish type bow (fibre-glass laminated) for around 300 Euros. I got one and recommend it.
Cheers
Arry
I own a Grozer Short Turkish Biocomposite with 54lbs and one with 41lbs. I don't shoot the 55 much, it stacks too heavily. The 41lbs I shot with some pleasure, but then the "horn" belly cracked. The bow still had guarantee and it was repaired by Grozer which took some 8 weeks.
The real advantage of these bows is that they look historically correct. Imho, they are not the most dynamic bows, however. The 54lbs weighs 410g, the 41lbs even 440g...
I do not own a Saluki bow, but have heard only positive things about them.
If you are looking for an alternative, Sylwester Styrczula makes a beautiful, light Turkish type bow (fibre-glass laminated) for around 300 Euros. I got one and recommend it.
Cheers
Arry
though this is not the best traditional choice I bought an 80@28 magyar base some years ago.. its a beast and still alive
Hi Arry.
The short Turkish Biocomposite I was inquiring about is a 70lb draw weight job and I agree Grozers bows do look great.
Yup I've read a lot of positives about Saluki bows the only downside seems to be price and waiting times for the bows .... and order inquiries it would seem still waiting for a reply from Lukas : P
I've had a look at Styrczulas site and it seems he only makes up to 50lb draw weight which is a shame because they do look great but I'm after something heavier :shock:
@ Uli, the Magyar you have you say it's a beast in what way ?
The short Turkish Biocomposite I was inquiring about is a 70lb draw weight job and I agree Grozers bows do look great.
Yup I've read a lot of positives about Saluki bows the only downside seems to be price and waiting times for the bows .... and order inquiries it would seem still waiting for a reply from Lukas : P
I've had a look at Styrczulas site and it seems he only makes up to 50lb draw weight which is a shame because they do look great but I'm after something heavier :shock:
@ Uli, the Magyar you have you say it's a beast in what way ?
The hornbow was 44@28, guess its around 40 now, after quite a number of arrows with no tendency to fail. My day to day bow for some years now. and very smooth to draw.Zotski wrote:
Hi lurz. What draw weights are your bows ? I seem to remember reading somewhere that Grozers higher draw weight bows were unreliable ? Very unsure of the credibility of what I read though.
The other two was my staring bows, only 35@28. They keep up ok, but they have not been shot so much, and anyway don't really matter, as he don't make the TRH-bows anymore as far as I can see.
its fiberglass, made for 80@28 inch but I draw to 30-31
this makes quite some stack and a little handshock
nevertheless I think for a fiberglass bow its good
this makes quite some stack and a little handshock
nevertheless I think for a fiberglass bow its good
Zotski - Sylwester makes heavier bows so no problem there, they're all very smooth to draw and forgiving even at well over 60lbs
Thanks for the feedback guys.
@ Daniel I may e-mail Sylwester Styrczula about a higher draw weight for his Krym Tatar bow I have double checked and I cant find any options for draw weights over 50 lbs.
@ Daniel I may e-mail Sylwester Styrczula about a higher draw weight for his Krym Tatar bow I have double checked and I cant find any options for draw weights over 50 lbs.
Sorry, it seems that no one has many experiences with Lukas' bows.
I have met up with him 4 times to his house and have shot his bows with him and--to my honor--was able to ride his horses and practice horse archery with him in his abode in Ocala, Florida.
I own two of his bows.
The first was a prototype that I tried out for him, a Hybrid Bow, Yuan style. It is around 28/29 in. and 45#. I enjoyed it, but I feel personally biased against Yuan style bows since other styles have surpassed their design. I don't normally pull out the bow anymore. Bows such as the Crimean Tatar, Turkish, Persian, Mughal, and Korean bows, I feel, have made the Yuan bow antiquated.
My latest bow--a Crimean Tatar Hybrid bow made of modern materials--, which I bought from him, I would put against any other traditional bow made of modern materials. I enjoy the subtle curves of the Crimean bow (it lacks the usual string bridges) and it is extremely fast. It is the best bow I could have asked for. It is 42# at 30in. but I have pulled it to 32" no problem (I made sure he gave it a long draw since I am 6'2"). The bow is 54" long. A good size for horse archery or static archery. I couldn't tell you the experience of shooting the bow. Whatever I aim at, I hit. But, in case if I lacked emphasizing, I now only shoot thumbring...but there is minimal finger pinch in Mediterranean draw.
I plan on buying more bows from him as I progress--that is a matter of course. Once you buy a Saluki bow, they become the only kind you know. (Corny rhyme.)
Seriously though, I plan on working my way up to warbow weights and then buying a hornbow. The only way to experience the true efficiency of a hornbow is to buy a heavy-weight bow to see their piercing power and speed.
His bows are the quintessence of bowmaking: I have shot his hornbows as well; and I can say absolutely that he is the best traditional bowmaker you can find. (Persians were very nice.) His bows are not cheap; but honestly, after getting a bow like the one I received, you would throw more money at him afterwards because of the pleasure the bow gives you.
I haven't shot Grozer. But to say that I don't need to shoot Grozer to know that Salukis are better is like saying that one needs not put their hand in the fire to know that it hurts: it is logical and does not need to be tested to be assumed.
The hand of man has never wielded a weapon more perfect than the bow.
Lucas Cooper
I have met up with him 4 times to his house and have shot his bows with him and--to my honor--was able to ride his horses and practice horse archery with him in his abode in Ocala, Florida.
I own two of his bows.
The first was a prototype that I tried out for him, a Hybrid Bow, Yuan style. It is around 28/29 in. and 45#. I enjoyed it, but I feel personally biased against Yuan style bows since other styles have surpassed their design. I don't normally pull out the bow anymore. Bows such as the Crimean Tatar, Turkish, Persian, Mughal, and Korean bows, I feel, have made the Yuan bow antiquated.
My latest bow--a Crimean Tatar Hybrid bow made of modern materials--, which I bought from him, I would put against any other traditional bow made of modern materials. I enjoy the subtle curves of the Crimean bow (it lacks the usual string bridges) and it is extremely fast. It is the best bow I could have asked for. It is 42# at 30in. but I have pulled it to 32" no problem (I made sure he gave it a long draw since I am 6'2"). The bow is 54" long. A good size for horse archery or static archery. I couldn't tell you the experience of shooting the bow. Whatever I aim at, I hit. But, in case if I lacked emphasizing, I now only shoot thumbring...but there is minimal finger pinch in Mediterranean draw.
I plan on buying more bows from him as I progress--that is a matter of course. Once you buy a Saluki bow, they become the only kind you know. (Corny rhyme.)
Seriously though, I plan on working my way up to warbow weights and then buying a hornbow. The only way to experience the true efficiency of a hornbow is to buy a heavy-weight bow to see their piercing power and speed.
His bows are the quintessence of bowmaking: I have shot his hornbows as well; and I can say absolutely that he is the best traditional bowmaker you can find. (Persians were very nice.) His bows are not cheap; but honestly, after getting a bow like the one I received, you would throw more money at him afterwards because of the pleasure the bow gives you.
I haven't shot Grozer. But to say that I don't need to shoot Grozer to know that Salukis are better is like saying that one needs not put their hand in the fire to know that it hurts: it is logical and does not need to be tested to be assumed.
The hand of man has never wielded a weapon more perfect than the bow.
Lucas Cooper
I visited Mr. Grozer more than 2 years year ago and tried different designs. The short turk and the scythian I liked best. Now I own both. The short turk is sweet. I also have one of his persian bows, but it doesn't feel especially fast. It looks as if there's too much unnecessary mass on the limbs.
I've been looking back to his site now and then and found that he stocks up 2 or 3 months or so before selling the bows.
I'd like to try his crimean tartar bow
I've been looking back to his site now and then and found that he stocks up 2 or 3 months or so before selling the bows.
I'd like to try his crimean tartar bow