a short bow for the horseback archer?
on the horseback , the bow is short then it is a best bow? if the bow short, it will use a thumb ring, so it is slowly(the speed of first arrows and next arrows) than the use three fingers draw the bow, if the long bow on horseback , the head and hip of horse will encumber your action?
i 'm saw the horseback archer video of kassai lovas, if use a thumb ring and arrows on the Right side of the bow ,it will be slowly?
and , what reason i saw many long hornbow in china? how did they can use a long bow on horseback?
i 'm saw the horseback archer video of kassai lovas, if use a thumb ring and arrows on the Right side of the bow ,it will be slowly?
and , what reason i saw many long hornbow in china? how did they can use a long bow on horseback?
"Long" is relative. The Qing and present-Mongol bows are more than 5 feet in length, but not the roughly 6 feet which seems to be the average of the English Long bow (cf. THE LONGBOW, by Hardy; THE GREAT WARBOW by Strickland and Hardy). Handling the Qing and Mongol bows on horseback doesn't seem to faze either Kassai, or the few Mongol horse archers we have now.
I suggest that as long as the lower limb of the bow doesn't hit the rider or horse at full draw, so the archer may come to full draw, the length is acceptable.
I suggest that as long as the lower limb of the bow doesn't hit the rider or horse at full draw, so the archer may come to full draw, the length is acceptable.
As for the speed of shooting with a thumb ring, I can shoot more arrows in a minute than the average three-finger shooter and I do not train for fast shooting.
A person who practised either technique could shoot faster than I can, if that was the main goal of their training. I find the thumb ring is better on horseback simply because it is easier to keep the arrow against the bow. However, I have seen Kassai shoot three fingered at a very fast rate on horseback proving that practise is more important than any individual technique.
A person who practised either technique could shoot faster than I can, if that was the main goal of their training. I find the thumb ring is better on horseback simply because it is easier to keep the arrow against the bow. However, I have seen Kassai shoot three fingered at a very fast rate on horseback proving that practise is more important than any individual technique.
I use the thumb draw, but I abandon the thumb ring for horseback archery. The ring slows my nocking, and as I use a lighter bow (about 40#) with the thicker string for horseback archery, there is no need for a ring anyway. Just one more thing to get in the way.
some hornbow is short , some hornbow is long, bede, can you use three fingers method shoot a short hornbow and can this way get accuracy? a short hornbow must use thumb ring? stephen , on the horse back use thumb ring has any advantage ? how did you can shoot a target (the target , the horse head , you body is one line, and , when your left hand hold the bow but the target on your Right side)
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Jiao,
Three fingers will work for all but the shortest bows. However, personally I find that two fingers are more comfortable. You shoot accurately with two fingers. The Sassanid Persians used a two-fingered draw for most of the period from the third century AD to the seventh.
If you wish to use three fingers, placing the three fingers under the arrow is an easier and more comfortable way to shoot with short bows.
Three fingers will work for all but the shortest bows. However, personally I find that two fingers are more comfortable. You shoot accurately with two fingers. The Sassanid Persians used a two-fingered draw for most of the period from the third century AD to the seventh.
If you wish to use three fingers, placing the three fingers under the arrow is an easier and more comfortable way to shoot with short bows.
I shoot from horseback and are still making different length on the bows. But it feels that 54-56" are ok.
I have not started to put horn on my bows yet because I not sure how the finally bow should be.
But I am close now.
http://www.bahnhofbredband.se/~wb304054 ... -II-10.jpg
http://www.bahnhofbredband.se/~wb304054 ... ment15.jpg
http://www.bahnhofbredband.se/~wb304054 ... sedraw.jpg
http://web.telia.com/~u47204838/horses/ ... chery3.jpg
A small horse is also better. The horse in picture is 15.8 hands and his head is to high up.
My smaller Arabian is better. From him I can aim closer straight ahead.
I have not started to put horn on my bows yet because I not sure how the finally bow should be.
But I am close now.
http://www.bahnhofbredband.se/~wb304054 ... -II-10.jpg
http://www.bahnhofbredband.se/~wb304054 ... ment15.jpg
http://www.bahnhofbredband.se/~wb304054 ... sedraw.jpg
http://web.telia.com/~u47204838/horses/ ... chery3.jpg
A small horse is also better. The horse in picture is 15.8 hands and his head is to high up.
My smaller Arabian is better. From him I can aim closer straight ahead.
Greatings to you all, Im new here and I have a question. I have ben told that you should nock the arrow so the feathers run free from the handle, i.e. if I use the three finger grip, the "male feather" should point to the left, away from the bow. Is this necessary, and if it is, it should slow down the process of nocking. I have ben told that you lack some precision if you don't knock the arrow this way. My own experience tells me that it dosn't matter, but I havn't ben shooting for such a long time....
Rigel,
With a Mediterranean release, having the cock feather in towards the handle can be a problem. This only becomes apparent when you start to attain good groups. However, the degree of the effect depends on the height and stiffness of the feathers.
In Oriental archery with the thumb ring, the feathers were arranged with one feather in line with the string. This meant you either shot feather down or feather up. In practice, this does not have a great effect. Because the feathers were very close to the nock, it was easy to feel which way the feathers were oriented when you were placing the arrow on the string. You could choose instantly.
Practice is what makes either method fast and easy. Everything is hard when you are starting out.
With a Mediterranean release, having the cock feather in towards the handle can be a problem. This only becomes apparent when you start to attain good groups. However, the degree of the effect depends on the height and stiffness of the feathers.
In Oriental archery with the thumb ring, the feathers were arranged with one feather in line with the string. This meant you either shot feather down or feather up. In practice, this does not have a great effect. Because the feathers were very close to the nock, it was easy to feel which way the feathers were oriented when you were placing the arrow on the string. You could choose instantly.
Practice is what makes either method fast and easy. Everything is hard when you are starting out.
Bede,
Im not sure I understand the "feather up/down". I think of it like one of the female feathers is put in a 90 degree to the male feather. Is this correct?
/Rigel
Im not sure I understand the "feather up/down". I think of it like one of the female feathers is put in a 90 degree to the male feather. Is this correct?
/Rigel
Rigel,
There were three feathers used, one was in line with the string and the other two were at 120 degrees to it. This is just like the western arrangement only rotated 90 degrees.
The result is that you can nock the arrow with the in-line feather pointing upwards or downwards. If you are using a siper, the recommended method is downwards, but upwards over the bare thumb.
If practice, it only matters if you have a siper, which has a tendency to remove one of the side feathers. On the hand, if you have nocked correctly, you hardly feel the feathers.
There were three feathers used, one was in line with the string and the other two were at 120 degrees to it. This is just like the western arrangement only rotated 90 degrees.
The result is that you can nock the arrow with the in-line feather pointing upwards or downwards. If you are using a siper, the recommended method is downwards, but upwards over the bare thumb.
If practice, it only matters if you have a siper, which has a tendency to remove one of the side feathers. On the hand, if you have nocked correctly, you hardly feel the feathers.
Bede,
I see, it sounds like a much better arrangement then the western. I mean, those arrows must work with the mediterranean release as well, and make it faster. If thats the case, why then arrange the feathers the "western style"?
I see, it sounds like a much better arrangement then the western. I mean, those arrows must work with the mediterranean release as well, and make it faster. If thats the case, why then arrange the feathers the "western style"?
Rigel,
Both methods of fletching are very old and it is likely that when they were developed no one was thinking of shooting and nocking very quickly. Once something has been done for a long time, people become so used to it that any other method is unimaginable.
The most logical method for fletching arrows that you wish to shoot quickly is four feathers arranged in an "X". This would also mean that the wear and tear on the feathers could be evened out. Strangely, all the four fletched Indo-Persian arrows I have seen are fletched with the feathers arranged in a "+". My guess is that since the three feathered arrows were arranged in a "Y", the idea of having a feather in line with the string was too strong to be overcome.
Because Indo-Persian arrows were always fletched with low-cut feathers, they could get away with almost any arrangement. History is not always logical.
Both methods of fletching are very old and it is likely that when they were developed no one was thinking of shooting and nocking very quickly. Once something has been done for a long time, people become so used to it that any other method is unimaginable.
The most logical method for fletching arrows that you wish to shoot quickly is four feathers arranged in an "X". This would also mean that the wear and tear on the feathers could be evened out. Strangely, all the four fletched Indo-Persian arrows I have seen are fletched with the feathers arranged in a "+". My guess is that since the three feathered arrows were arranged in a "Y", the idea of having a feather in line with the string was too strong to be overcome.
Because Indo-Persian arrows were always fletched with low-cut feathers, they could get away with almost any arrangement. History is not always logical.