ATARNarchive

About ancient Chinese longbow carried by horseman.

7 posts2007live thread
Sinsigel
After I heard from Mr. Dwyer about the painting of longbow carried by horsemen of ancient northern dynasties of China, I found the picture below from the web.

It's one of the art series called "Hillfox art series", featuring several pictures showing reconstructed ancient Chinese armies including mounted archers of war-chariots.

I wonder whether the picture below is based on the same painting that Mr. Bede had mentioned before. I once sought to search the painting by myself, but there were too many northern dynasties during 4~6 century and 10th century. Can anyone inform me about this matter?
jiao
this painting is wangkewei describe a battle of china han dynasty and huns, the han dynasty general called huoqubing(霍去病),this battle has two part,
after part one , in the B.c.121 spring ,10000 cavalry of chinese died 7000, the huns died 8960 and two kings, a prince and many minister of huns become captive, the huns important sacred "gold man" become trophy of chinese ;

the part two: in same year summer,he kiiled 30000 huns, 5 kings,59 princes and 63 ministers

after this battle , the huns said : lost our qilianshan mountain, our livestock near the annihilation, lost our yanzhishan mountain. our woman has no cosmetic for useing

maybe the silk road open after this battle

http://www.cgw.cn/image/img00000036/127 ... 187500.jpg

more than 110000 huns huoqubing killed in his lifeing, the battlefield form Dunhuang to Baikal




元狩二年(公元前121)的春天,霍去病被任命为骠骑将军,独自率领精兵一万出征匈奴。这就是河西大战。

19岁的统帅霍去病不负众望,在千里大漠中闪电奔袭,打了一场漂亮的大迂回战。六天中他转战匈奴五部落,一路猛进,并在皋兰山与匈奴卢侯、折兰王打了一场硬碰硬的生死战。在此战中,霍去病惨胜,一万精兵仅余三千人。而匈奴更是损失惨重??卢侯王和折兰王都战死,浑邪王子及相国、都尉被俘虏,斩敌八千九百六十,匈奴休屠祭天金人也成了汉军的战利品。在这一场血与火的对战之后,汉王朝中再也没有人质疑少年霍去病的统军能力,他成为汉军中的一代军人楷模、尚武精神的化身。

同年夏天,汉武帝决定乘胜追击,展开收复河西之战。

此战,霍去病成为汉军的统帅,而多年的老将李广等人只作为他的策应部队。令人哭笑不得的是,配合作战的公孙敖等常跑大漠的?老马?还不如两年前的长安公子霍去病,居然在大漠中迷了路,没有起到应有的助攻作用。而老将李广所部则被匈奴左贤王包围。霍去病遂再次孤军深入,并再次大胜。就在祁连山,霍去病所部斩敌三万余人,俘虏匈奴王爷五人以及匈奴大小瘀氏、匈奴王子五十九人、相国将军当户都尉共计六十三人。

经此一役,匈奴不得不退到焉支山北,汉王朝收复了河西平原。曾经在汉王朝头上为所欲为、使汉朝人家破人亡无数的匈奴终于也唱出了哀歌:?亡我祁连山,使我六畜不蕃息;失我燕支山,使我妇女无颜色。?

从此,汉军军威大振,而十九岁的霍去病更成了令匈奴人闻风丧胆的战神。

真正使霍去病有如天神的事情是?河西受降?,发生的时间在秋天。

两场河西大战后,匈奴单于想狠狠地处理一再败阵的浑邪王,消息走漏后浑邪王和休屠王便想要投降汉朝。汉武帝不知匈奴二王投降的真假,遂派霍去病前往黄河边受降。当霍去病率部度过黄河的时候,果然匈奴降部中发生了哗变。面对这样的情形,霍去病竟然只带着数名亲兵就亲自冲进了匈奴营中,直面浑邪王,下令他诛杀哗变士卒。我们永远也猜想不出此时的浑邪王心里都在想些什么。那一刻他完全有机会把霍去病扣为人质或杀之报仇,只要他这样做了,单于不但不会杀他反而要奖赏他。然而最终浑邪王放弃了,这名敢于孤身犯险不惧生死的少年的气势镇住了他。霍去病的气势不但镇住了浑邪王,同时也镇住了四万多名匈奴人,他们最终没有将哗变继续扩大。

河西受降顺利结束,而今天的我们却只能用景仰的心努力想象,那个局势迷离危机四伏的时候,那位十九岁的少年是怎样站在敌人的营帐里,仅仅用一个表情一个手势就将帐外四万兵卒、八千乱兵制服的。

汉王朝的版图上,从此多了武威、张掖、酒泉、敦煌四郡。河西走廊正式并入汉王朝。这是中国历史上第一次面对外虏的受降,不但为饱受匈奴侵扰之苦百年的汉朝人扬眉吐气,更从此使汉朝人有了身为强者的信心。
jiao
i am sure the artist no know our han nation hornbow is short bow
Stephen Selby
It's not this painting. There is a Liao Dynasty wall painting from a tomb that shows mounted archers with very straight bows apparently wrapped in silk. I have a copy of the picture; but I might need a bit of time to find it.

These bows have every appearance of being longbows.; but a wall painting can't be authoritative as a source. At that time, it seems that all the neighbouring tribes were using horn recurve bows. Another interesting thing about Liao archers is that they regularly used a bracer on the arm.

S
yokhua
These pictures basicly are all bunch of "Manga". Or if you play online games, those are Something like that. Just fragments of imagination from some artists know nothing about archery and stuff...

I say: Ha! Ha! Don't be serious about that...
Bede
The bows I was talking about were in wall paintings from 4-6th century. The bows were unstrung in long thin cases worn on the left side of horsemen.