how do you said

corean :gungdoo ok japan :kyudo ok and please:

in chinese? She Yi 射艺

mongolian? Nom Sum Kharvlaa

horseback archery: Chine: Qi She 骑射
Monglol: Moriloor Kharvlaa
Korean: Ki Sa 骑射

other country?
Manchu/Xibe: beri-i khevdem

These words (together with others) can be seen in their original scripts here:

thank you very much

In Serbian, Croatian, Bosnian strelicharstvo or strjelicharstvo

In Indonesian (and several related regional languages), the bow is called busur and the arrows panah. Archery is known as panahan while the act of shooting is called memanah (the me- prefix attached to the noun panah turns it into an active verbs.

With the great variety of local and regional languages in Indonesia, it's easy to understand why some of them use somewhat different terms for archery and its equipment. Gendawa, for example, is a common synonym for "busur" in Javanese languages, and in these languages the verb for archery takes the shorter form manah, which is a homonym for "heart"--perhaps a conscious reference to the use of archery as a tool for spiritual development.

Some examples of archery terms in Turkish:

Archery: ok?uluk (okchuluk)

Archer: ok?u (okchu). old: kemankeş (kemankesh), tirendaz, ramiyan.
* keman-kes: bow-drawer
* tir-endaz: arrow-shooter
* ramiyan: shooter. (ram: shot)

Mounted archery: atlı ok?uluk ("atli" with dotless i). Mean is "archery with horse"

Arrow: ok. old: tir

Bow: yay. old: keman, kavs.

In Slovak language "bow" : luk
Archer : Lukostrelec
Archery : Lukostrelectvo
Arrow : ??p - it is synonymum like name of wild roses : ??pov? ru?a.
:D

In Spanish:

Bow : Arco
Archer : Arquero
Archery : Arqueria
Arrow : Flecha

Pretty easy :wink:

in romanian:

bow - arc
archer - arcaș
arrow - săgeată
bowyer - arcar
archery - arcășie

In Hellenic :

ARCHERY: TOΞΟΒΟΛΙΑ [toxovolia]

BOW: ΤΟΞΟΝ [toxon]

ARCHER: ΤΟΞΟΤΗΣ [toxotis]

ARROW: BEΛΟΣ [velos]

HORSEBACK ARCHERY: ΕΦΙΠΠΗ ΤΟΞΟΒΟΛΙΑ [efipi toxovolia]

HORSEBACK ARCHER: ΕΦΙΠΠΟΤΟΞΟΤΗΣ [efipotoxotis]

HORSE: IΠΠΟΣ [ipos]

:D

Aristotle,

In English, one word for 'poisonous' is 'toxic'. I understand that the English word is derived from Greek. Is there a Greek word for 'poisonous' that is related to the word for 'bow'? Any stories/ideas about that?

Isn't it curious that the scientific name of yew is Taxus, a word related to toxic and a classical bow wood. Maybe just a coincidence.

Stephen Selby wrote:

Aristotle,

In English, one word for 'poisonous' is 'toxic'. I understand that the English word is derived from Greek. Is there a Greek word for 'poisonous' that is related to the word for 'bow'? Any stories/ideas about that?

Dear Stephen,

As you know, the base of modern Hellenic is the Homeric-times language. Aforementioned posted terms ( Archery=Τοξοβολία , Bow= Τόξον ) of mine belong to that Helenic much after Homeric; these terms belong actually to the pure Hellenic language shaped after Roman times.
The relevant terms during Homeric-times were: ΑRCHERY=ΤΟΞΙΚΗ (toxiki) and BOW=ΒΙΟΣ (vios).
Concerning the Homeric name of the Bow (ΒΙΟΣ) in Hellenic means "life". This is because ancient Hellenes cinsider the Bow as the basic "tool" supporting life itself. But, they had also in mind its deeper significance as a death-instrument. Because of this, "TΩ ΟΥΝ ΤΟΞΩ ΟΝΟΜΑ ΒΙΟΣ ΕΡΓΟΝ ΔΕ ΘΑΝΑΤΟΣ" mentioned Heraclitus : The name of the Bow means "life" but its work is the death!
After all above, of course, there is a relation in Homeric language between "toxic" and "Archery" as the common point is death. And, of course, "toxic" is related to Archery (ΤΟΞΙΚΗ-toxiki). You are right!

Dear "Neighbour",
Thank you for this great explanation! that is the answer I'm curious about.

Metin Ates wrote:

Dear "Neighbour",
Thank you for this great explanation! that is the answer I'm curious about.

You are welcome! :D

Aforementioned message belongs to me.
Sorry to forget prior to log in! :oops:

Dear all,
Can we prepare a "multilingual traditional archery vocabulary"? What do you say?

First work is describing the word list in English. I can prepare the pilot one. Who wants to join and enrich this kind of project?

Aristotle, I repeated your fault! It's ironic. :)
Aboved message belongs to me.

Metin Ates wrote:

Aristotle, I repeated your fault! It's ironic. :)
Aboved message belongs to me.

Brothers (even in Archery) behave in a ...common way! :D
In a case such this ( Traditional Archery Vocabulary) will be my pleasure to add in Hellenic!

I notice that the old Turkish for arrow is Tir. This is similar to modern French Tir a'larc, for archery (I think, long time since I spoke any french). Do they share a common root?

I think a book that connect all these words in a tree of entmology would be very interesting. I'd like to contribute, but I'm limited to English....

That's me above.

Three in a row!

First rule of the vocabulary club is "send a message as Guest" :)

Aristotle: Your contribute is welcome! I believe it will be great job for Traditional Archery concerned people.

Hardman: Tir is a Persian word actually. Lots of Persian and Arabic words absorbed by the Ottoman language. Maybe by French too. "tir" mean is shooting in French and related with arrow.

I'll share first draft of the vocabulary in the near future with you. WTAF preparations takes my considerable time at now.

Metin Ates wrote:

First rule of the vocabulary club is "send a message as Guest" :)

:mrgreen: !!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you!

Tir is indeed the Farsi (Persian ) word for arrow or shaft in non-archery contexts. It has migrated to many languages and is another word for arrow in Ottoman Turkish texts. I think the tir in French comes from the verb tirer to pull or draw.

Please help Jak. I am a long way from my dictionaries.

I don't know about "tir" in French but looks close to "tirar" in Spanish, used in the context for pulling a bow also.


Bede, are you in Utah for the Flight Championships? If that's the case, good luck.

I have eard that toxos give "toxique"(poisonnous) in french because arrows head have poison on it or some thing like poisons that give injury deadly

bede I am looking for a link between tir in french and turkish
"
in french" tir "mean" shoot" when you speak shoot an arrow or a bullet with gunfire

you pull the string and you push the bow to shoot an arrow

Nope, the greek word "toxon" is a different word than the (also greek) "toxikon" and the later latin "toxicus".
Perhaps our greek friends can tell us if it is actually supposed to be an "x" as in "xi" or if it should be a "chi" in toxon originally?

In Central Asia, Ok (Oq), arrow, now also means bullet; and gez, nock, now also means gun sight (the rear sight with a groove).

Back from Utah and in Oregon. Jaap Koppedreyer shot better me with a new Turkish bow he built. He proved that a light bow under full control is better than a heavy bow that controls you.

I was able to shoot with an arrow guide and a Korean bow as well as the same bow and broadheads.

Jak, thanks for looking into tir for me.

Very interesting. I got the news from Jaap, it's amazing that a 40#bow can outshoot an 80# bow. I hope to see pictures of the event.

I think that the siper only brings fear and distraction, it must be very hard to control it.

Hi Bede

what I know about ethymology of "tir"

tir come from the verb "tirer" meanning "to get something out of his contenair" or contening

french verb "tirer" come fron latin;"martyrare " who become in old

french "martirie" and "martirant" linked with the word "bourreau"

("mar" meaning "mal"=bad)

bourreau meaning 'hangman" also named "tyran" or" tiranz"in old french because very often

the hangman or executionner pull out an arm,a leg or the head out of the

body of the convict wich become a "martyre"=martyrdom

after XVI century verb "tirer" is used with the meaning to shoot a bullet or

an arrow as now

it will be interessing to know the ethymoly in turk

I think a dictionnary is a very good idea

Jak,
The etymology in Turkish is directly from Persian. The native Turkish word for arrow is ok which is traceable back a long way. The Persian word is equally old and I have references to it in my Pahlavi dictionary back to Parthian times.
The Iranian group of languages are Indo-European like French and Latin but belong to the so-called satem branch, not the centum branch of Italo-Celtic and Germanic languages.
Tir, in that group of languages, has the meaning of shaft and arrow. That is, it generally refers to a cylindrical object rather just an arrow. It was probably absorbed into Turkish at the same time as the word kaman for bow during the first interactions with the Turks and Iranian culture. The Seljuks of Rum (Anatolia) had already started to adopt names from the Iranian national Epic, the Shahnama. An example is Kai-Khosrau who had a thoroughly Iranian mythic name.