Dimensions for closed quiver
Hi everyone
I've attached a design for a closed quiver. I'm not really sure how many arrows it will hold but I'm aiming for 50 + (I'm not sure if it's too small though).
I'll be sending this to a leatherworker as soon as I can as I haven't got the time to make it myself. Are there any improvements I could make to it?
The interior will be padded with sheepskin and the exterior will be 3.5 mm leather, the dimensions given in the lower 2 ellipses are dimensions of the interior. There will be a small separator (just a strip of sheepskin) 1/3 the way across the top to keep competition arrows separate.
Thanks!
I've attached a design for a closed quiver. I'm not really sure how many arrows it will hold but I'm aiming for 50 + (I'm not sure if it's too small though).
I'll be sending this to a leatherworker as soon as I can as I haven't got the time to make it myself. Are there any improvements I could make to it?
The interior will be padded with sheepskin and the exterior will be 3.5 mm leather, the dimensions given in the lower 2 ellipses are dimensions of the interior. There will be a small separator (just a strip of sheepskin) 1/3 the way across the top to keep competition arrows separate.
Thanks!
daryush,
I don't think you will get anything like 50 arrows in that size of quiver (unless you are planning to use modern target carbons with tiny plastic vanes). My birch bark quiver is about the same size and it only holds a dozen traditional arrows with large fletchings. You would get more in with lower profile feathers.
Putting sheepskin on the interior would make things worse as it would catch the fletchings as the arrows were inserted.
If you want to get a few more arrows in it, make the base dimension larger. (You can keep the neck the same size unless you are using large broadheads).
If you want to try for 50, experiment by grabbing a bundle of 50 of your arrows and see how much space you need for the fletchings and shafts without having to squash and damage the fletchings.
Andrew
I don't think you will get anything like 50 arrows in that size of quiver (unless you are planning to use modern target carbons with tiny plastic vanes). My birch bark quiver is about the same size and it only holds a dozen traditional arrows with large fletchings. You would get more in with lower profile feathers.
Putting sheepskin on the interior would make things worse as it would catch the fletchings as the arrows were inserted.
If you want to get a few more arrows in it, make the base dimension larger. (You can keep the neck the same size unless you are using large broadheads).
If you want to try for 50, experiment by grabbing a bundle of 50 of your arrows and see how much space you need for the fletchings and shafts without having to squash and damage the fletchings.
Andrew
Hi Andrew
Thanks for your reply.
Hmm ... I didn't quite think of that with the sheepskin. What did the original people use for padding? And surely if you're careful enough / make the quiver large enough they won't catch on coming in?
I'm shooting relatively thin wooden arrows with 4 very small (1/4 inch, future feathers may be smaller) fletchings, I can get 12 arrows (fletchings) in a circle 10 cm in diameter without any squashing. Don't currently own 50 (there's a good chance I will do in the future though) but I could grab 27 and double the size though, if that will come up with a relatively good estimation.
Thanks!
Thanks for your reply.
Hmm ... I didn't quite think of that with the sheepskin. What did the original people use for padding? And surely if you're careful enough / make the quiver large enough they won't catch on coming in?
I'm shooting relatively thin wooden arrows with 4 very small (1/4 inch, future feathers may be smaller) fletchings, I can get 12 arrows (fletchings) in a circle 10 cm in diameter without any squashing. Don't currently own 50 (there's a good chance I will do in the future though) but I could grab 27 and double the size though, if that will come up with a relatively good estimation.
Thanks!
Daryush,
I think the only padding you would find in a closed quiver would be in the base. I have heard of pine needles being used in quivers as padding, but in general closed quivers don't need anything.
There are some paintings showing people pushing the horse hair tassel attached to the quiver into its mouth. Perhaps this was to muffle the noise of the arrowheads rubbing together.
Some closed quivers were designed for a small number of arrows and the ones with internal frames had less space than the leather ones. I think many of the surviving ones were for hunting and held fewer arrows than a war quiver.
I think the only padding you would find in a closed quiver would be in the base. I have heard of pine needles being used in quivers as padding, but in general closed quivers don't need anything.
There are some paintings showing people pushing the horse hair tassel attached to the quiver into its mouth. Perhaps this was to muffle the noise of the arrowheads rubbing together.
Some closed quivers were designed for a small number of arrows and the ones with internal frames had less space than the leather ones. I think many of the surviving ones were for hunting and held fewer arrows than a war quiver.
Thanks for the info Bede.
Yeah, I had assumed that a lot of the ones which we see on the ATARN main site are hunting quivers rather than war ones, as they don't look large enough to hold a great deal of arrows. Do you have a vague idea roughly how big a war quiver would be?
Thanks!
Yeah, I had assumed that a lot of the ones which we see on the ATARN main site are hunting quivers rather than war ones, as they don't look large enough to hold a great deal of arrows. Do you have a vague idea roughly how big a war quiver would be?
Thanks!
Daryush,
I made some calculations on the basis of paintings, but you would know this is very difficult to substantiate. My advice is to work out the approximate size of a quiver that would fit 30 (large) or 60 (very large) arrows and then look at old paintings for something that would have the same proportions as your estimate.
If you feel that it looks too bulky, it probably is. People had to ride and walk around with these quivers. If they got in the way or were clumsy, they would have died out quickly (as would their owners).
I made some calculations on the basis of paintings, but you would know this is very difficult to substantiate. My advice is to work out the approximate size of a quiver that would fit 30 (large) or 60 (very large) arrows and then look at old paintings for something that would have the same proportions as your estimate.
If you feel that it looks too bulky, it probably is. People had to ride and walk around with these quivers. If they got in the way or were clumsy, they would have died out quickly (as would their owners).