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bladders in china

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JJ
Impressing! Nice bags...

Is it possible to obtain these bladders through you???

JJ
Dusan
Same question , Jiao. :shock: Beatifull large bladers.European Archers dream...
jiao
yes, i deside sell them for buy them , i am in a new city and need some time for know how the money and bladders transport
Reto
Dear all,

Just few meters next to my home here in Shanghai on a Chinese market I can find best fish air bladders. 1 Kilo is about EUR 180. I made some glue few weeks ago - really good stuff. The Chinese use it for cooking especially for soups as ingredient and the wine industry to make good wines...

Best regards
Reto
jiao
ok, i ready for sell it , if you need bladders pm me

the baldders cost will depend it's size, how many bladders in 500g,the cost of EUR 180 each bladder wight >=100g, for the best food the bladders save moro than 3 years or more the color turn deep yellow or red,the new bladders has more glutinosity damage your stomach(assimilation),but not sure it is same good thing for make glue,some seller add the chemic dye for the good yellow color, the white color seemed is good choice if it has something and, only the h2o2 for the bleach and why bleach it? in china the bladder has differ the sexuality, maybe it make the color diiffer

thanks all
Dusan
Thank you Reto and Jiao. But i must say- too dear for me... + post , + maybe problems vith veterinary control in Eu border.(same vith horns ! ) Maybe ,if we agree vith JJ and share this 1kg in 1/2 ?
I have some fishbladers from European fish farms . Cleaning and drayng miself - more work- lower money . But this bladers are smaler then Croacker .

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you can see 3 diferent layers in each blader. 1 layer is most interesting -very fine "pearl efect" , second layer is like tendons material and 3 layer is like skin - . Every layer have own - very diferent glue quality. I dont know if croacker bladers has same layers sistem ?


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From another viev , from me its better , when i know bladers condition from source to drayer end. When i interesting about croacker bladers in net , i read ,that in drying proces was bladers cooked in oil (?), than drying . Thi s was maybe problem.
Adam Karpowicz
Some bladder material from shops is fried (presumably in oil). This kind is useless, since the tissue is degraded by heat and can not function as a strong glue anymore. It can be recognized by the brittle consistency and bubbles in the skin. The bladders we need are "air dried" or "sun dried".

Adam
jiao
these bladers is air dry , hard and tenacity,the oil or alum or steam or warm water is a way for the food , the alum cook for the medication in Chinese traditional medicine shop, the oil cook is damp bladder not dry and same to steam or warm water, all of them is breakable not strong in the market make ready you are easy/fast cook and eat some dry fish product, it form a large fish market near the sea, from here many fish go air plane to other china city

to dusan
these croacker bladders is one layer, what fish bladder of you show? it like the carp bladder, the pearl efect if very very hard to dissolve, the tendons material like the sinew glue(for sure you can make sinew glue?), the skin layer is easy make glue, mix them is well for the strong glue?what proportion of the 2or3 bladders glue mix?try mix the rabbit and sinew glue seemed a cheep and good choice :D
Dusan
How you know Jiao, about one layer croacker blader ? Have you fresh , no dreyed blader ? Because from dreyed bladers you dont see anything. Mi bladers are from more varietes of sweet vater fishes , not only from carp. Efektivity of this 3 layers is litle another then you think. Pearl layer is best from all , and cooked very quickly. Sinew layer is very close in all data like cow sinew, and skin layer is worse of them. Mix of this 3 layers or 2 can give glue vith diferent quality.
If croacker have only one layer - this is like sinew , or pearl ?
jiao
dusan, i has try use small croaker blader make the glue,it is cheap, and i can find some cheap bladders,so i know it in dry or not , it is can not say what it like, the sinew and skin and bladder in damp all is white, and the crocker bladders can not use hand make 3 layers like the carp bladder,

i must to say , i hope and all hope we can got the stuff easy and cheap and more varietes for the interest(adventure) and more quality, if your stuff is cheap and good than me i rather buy it form you , but it need some law for justice competition, you can not find the carrefour put the advertisement in the wal-mart and run out the topic form my topic the bladders form china
Dusan
Jiao, very thank you for interesting ! I need more bladers than i have , because i have many hornbow projects . If you can find cheaper bladers (this is no matter small or longer) but no more than 50euro -1 kg , than its interesting for me. And very helpfull.Next maybe on PM.

Reto, please ,have you any informatin about European low and how solve vith this ? I assume that you have some experiences vith this .
Stephen Selby
But what you are paying for the the expensive cordyceps herb (and a lot of hype).
Dusan
Jiao, you are big provokateur ! Thanks - super pics.
jiao
if fact,50g big bladders vs 50g small bladders ,the big bladder has dream capability of shrink than the small size and thickness, so the fish not form fishpond is good ,so tell your wife if is very good thing the glue on her face and eat it for collagen keep younger then it is not only reason buy it for our bow :D

maybe the pk of bladders is not evenhanded and comprehensive,the test will be continue when i got the horn/mulberry/bamboo/arrowsbamboo at this end of year in guangdong and guangxi province,maybe next year will test glue on bows, who be interested in these material :D
Dusan
Jiao, your pics is maybe anwser in question - why croacker bladers ? Maybe secret is not in his special "better" colagen , but very simply in his big dimension . From another fish , you must catch 6-10 fishis . Its 1 : 10 in weight .