Heavy Sin-Gi-Jeon Launch (rocket arrow)

Great pictures. Thanks for sharing.

it is not anything in korean is form korean, the Shinkijeon is chinese shenjijian (神机箭） like the usa Patriot missile send to there appurtenant ally country or and one day it will in korean museum and it is korean top secret weapon also include m16 or m1a1, i see the korean movie Shinkijeon, it is china first use it

you are a korean archery, you know what are korean archery 9 regulations, you need be careful in 1-5 of 9
군자의 다툼은 오직 그 자신을 바르게 하는 것

jiao, you are right.
chinese made it first. and gunpowder too.
i already know you will say something about this.
but you are wrong jiao.
i don`t say it`s first. and it's different thing.
chinese doesn't sent to us any shenjijian in ancient times.
and now, they have no shenjijian blueprint because it stopped developing in long long ago.
i just want to show korean singijeon(神機箭) is more advenced and new.
it`s not a chinese. we made it a new and it was a top secret weapon in ancient korea because it`s better than chinese fire propulsion arrow.
and you also said "appurtenant ally country".
wow. it`s a bullshit. please don`t say again.

I don`t know what is your job, i think you have a wrong knowledge
chinese always assert "china always great" but it`s wrong.
you must know your knowledand anyone ge is based on china's communism educational policy. they have emphasis only make the "great china"
They use counterfeit history for education. because this counterfeit history, many races(in china) has spiritual pain and oppression problem.
they don`t know their origin and real history. they never know.
i think you are same. you said to me korean archery 9 regulations.
but you can`t say to me that. you need a deep thought about your country and your knowledge in your head.
china government cover up the truth about history as yet
and they teach manipulation history. this is very serious problems to chinese and us.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 861013.ece

i just want to show korean shinkijeon(神機箭) is more advenced and new,
it still is shenjijian, it is not v3 rocket or rus kaqusa rocket, ofcause today powder and rocket advenced a lot. and it is a top secret can not got confirmation :D and we need prove the Tungus mysterious explode by shinkijeon test :D

what wrong the appurtenant ally country?in old time form last qing ,ming, the korean,the Vietnam,the Ryukyu is china appurtenant ally country, form i know it only is striped-pants pay intribute , they are pay one we are pay more , and when war hapen need we help one another,like the today military affairs and government ally

ofcause you are form capitalism that all is korean and all korean is best,i an not take anythig is faultlessly or all is right all is wrong, but how and where can you say and know in my country? and how can you said there is north korea and very wild china area, there is almost closed place?http://atarn.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t ... c&start=15

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeQTpmaEkMY

Same thing?

Nationalism is a poison.

hehe Mythbusters... i saw that, too
that is almost same thing in a movie
but arrows not, second movie is singijeon.
not - a - shenjijian
if that's the same thing, jiao can tell us, how to make it and shenjijian's inner structure, stuff, etc...
if you have a any picture and real thing of shenjijian??? in museum??
if you have, it must be "made in korea" puhaha

some good replies are there.

[itwillbealright
No, Koreans invented the Hwacha. You're referring to the Ming Huoche. The Koreans used all of their own design as well as launching and explosion technology. The Korean hwacha was the first ever use of defensive artillery technology. The Ming Huoche was a one-wheeled light-weight weapon used offensively. The Korean hwacha was heavier, had a larger capacity, and was more accurate, precise, and deadly. ]

Ken wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeQTpmaEkMY

Same thing?

Nationalism is a poison.

Look at the third name down at 3:10 :D


Let's keep nationalistic fighting out of this. I think we can all agree that the singijeon was an import into Korea from China and that Korea made its own improvements and fired them from the hwacha. The movie The Divine Weapon was mostly fictional, as movies tend to be in order to make their stories interesting.

They are fun to watch; I've seen them fired off many times.

Mechwar, who actually made the propellant tubes and loaded them for your university? Was the propellant hand-made or did it come from a commercial source? If the former, I'd be very interested in knowing the ratio they used for charcoal, sulfur, and potassium nitrate, as there were several traditional formulas used in Korea for different things.

Mr. Duvernay, thanks for your reply.
actually, I was send to you, e- mail about this. (궁도.핫메일로요)
plz, check out your e- mail.
i think we need a contact

http://english.chosun.com/site/data/htm ... 00796.html

Here is an article on the event, which also includes a short video.

Thanks for the post MechWar. Are there any close up pictures of the heavy rocket? And also what was it made of? Was it constructed of many layers of paper like a firework rocket or was it made of iron like the later indian war rockets?

Good question, Mike.
I can explain about this, but...
here is the answer what you want :)

http://blog.naver.com/gogospace/10022527143
This is Dr. Yeonseok Chae's reserch paper in 1984.

We used korean traditional paper, Han-Ji
That image is korean language, but you can recognize each part.
Left first chamber is warhead, it separated by thick paper.
Second chamber is a combustion chamber. But it`s a nozzleless!!!
It has just cone shaped empty space for firejet.
And center circle is combustion start point.

in my viewpoint, the Shinkijeon(神機箭) and shenjijian(神机箭）,the name and sound same, it like ak47 has many improved in more country but the name not call same, all the shinkijeon2 or shenjijian2 or other name is good


The Korean hwacha was the first ever use of defensive artillery technology. The Ming Huoche was a one-wheeled light-weight weapon used offensively. The Korean hwacha was heavier, had a larger capacity, and was more accurate, precise, and deadly.

what is first ever use?

The Ming Huoche was a one-wheeled light-weight weapon used offensively
no, they are three ,one-wheeled and shunt-wound one wheeled and two wheeled ,

on chinese ming dynasty martial book wubeizhi:
one wheeled
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the small shoot module cell on the car,it call yiwofeng(一窝蜂），32
arrows' guide rope on one central rope
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shunt-wound one wheeled
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two wheeled
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about shenjian

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造法矾纸为筒，内入火药令满实，另置火块油纸封之一方天雨。后鐟一孔装药线，用竹为干。铁矢簇如燕尾形，未装翎毛，大竹筒入箭二矢或三矢。望敌燃火，能射百步利顺风，不利逆风，水陆战皆可用。用之水战能燔舟篷，用之陆战能毁巢穴，中毒必死,
三飞剪，明朝后期创制的飞刀箭、飞枪箭、飞剑箭的合称。因其箭头分别为刀形、枪形、剑形而得名。它们的箭杆都用坚硬的荆木制作，粗6～7分，长6～7尺；箭镞长5寸，横宽8分，能透敌兵铠甲；箭镞后部绑附一个粗2寸，长7～8寸的火药筒，筒尾有火线通出；箭尾有羽翎，以保持箭身在飞行时的平衡。此类火箭在水战时，以有枝丫之物为架，竖立于船舷木上，将箭置于架上，用手托住箭尾，对准敌船，点燃筒尾火线，将箭射出，射程可达300步。陆战时，用有叉锋的冷兵器镋钯竖立于地上，以叉锋作发射架，搁置火箭，将火箭射出。
明代时已非常完善，不仅有单支火箭，还先后出现了并联火箭、有翼火箭、多级火箭和多发齐射火箭等多种武器装备。?神火飞鸦?既是一种多筒并联火箭，也是一种有翼火箭，同时点燃4支火箭产生推力，最远能飞行300多米。?火龙出水?，则是一种多级火箭，龙首尾两侧各装一支火箭，龙腹内也预装数支火箭。发射时，先点燃首尾两侧的4支火箭，推动火龙前进。待4支火箭燃烧将完时，自动引燃龙腹内的火箭，使之自龙口飞出，继续飞向目标。?一窝蜂?则是一种多发齐射火箭，事先将32支火箭的引线全部连在一根总线上，点燃总线，所有火箭同时齐射。
这一段最为重要，比神机箭进步。早期火箭的杀伤部位就是传统的箭头，后来逐渐演化到以火药自身的燃烧爆炸进行杀伤，杀伤威力更大，此时箭体仅作为火药载体使用。火箭的发射技术也在不断进步，逐渐出现了筒、柜等发射装置以方便定位定向。明代后期，还将发射装置固定在推车上，进一步增强了火箭发射的机动性。

it is a poison arrow, also enough irruptive armor ,the guns more good from import, i will translate the cinese later

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Oh! That's beautiful picture~ nice job.
but, we don`t have AK47
NorthKorea army just use it. :)

According to the record, the first chinese rocket is Bi-Hwa-Chang(飛火槍) : 비화창 in 1232(but it`s not a arrow, it`s a kind of spear, and not a paper chamber), And our first rocket arrow is a Joo-Hwa 走火 (running fire) in 1377.
We used the name "Singijeon(神機箭)" since 1448,
but chinese use this name "shenjijian(神机箭)" since about 1621 (Mu-bi-ji book 武備志 : 무비지)

In my viewpoint,,,,,,,
If those are samething, shenjijian(神机箭) must be Singijeon(神機箭)'s re-copy. And look at the middle word 机. It's the same meaning. but it`s more simpler than 機.
People always try to use more simple words for imtate or copy something.

uh.. but, it`s just MY VIEWPOINT, like you~
NEVERMIND about that :)

据《宋史》记载:公元970年兵部令史冯继升等进火箭法。公元975年，宋军用火箭、火炮与南唐作战。到仁宗时，曾公亮等所著《武经总要》中，综述了当时的火器有火箭、火炮火药鞭箭、引火球、蒺藜火球、铁咀、火鹞、竹火鹞、霹雳火球、烟球、毒药烟球等十余种，直接反映了我国在公元10?11世纪之初，已广泛使用火器。到13世纪中叶前，开始出现金属管形射击武器???火铳。它的发明使器的发展进入了一个崭新的阶段。到14世纪初，元人在南宋发明的突火枪和火筒的基础上，进一步制成了金属管形火器。

in china song history recording the year of 970 to 975 use the rocket weapons both shoot and blast more than 10 kind weapons,in 1000-1100 the powder weapons is widely used, in 1300-1400 the guns use metal pipe， chinese song dynasty martial book of wujingzhongyao《武经总要》

据《明实录》记载建文二年(1400)，从而可借助风力增大飞行高度和距离。燕王朱棣与建文帝战于白沟河，而且使火箭具有一定滑行能力，曾使用过?一窝蜂?，实行多发齐射。

in china ming history recording 1400 the war used yiwofeng(http://hfsword.com/bbs/attachments/kMGR_35.jpg)

1.战车的重生　　战车鼎盛于春秋战国时期低落也是在这个年代，到了明朝战车开始被沿用于运输。洪武五年（1372年），山西 河南首先造独辕车 800 辆，永乐八年（1410年）北征时又造武钢车3万辆， ?以运粮响?自英宗正统十二年（1447年）大同总兵朱冕等疏陈战阵之法请选小火车850辆开始，山东 河南开始相继制造，?以备战车?

the war car start at china waring time and rebuild in ming 1372,1410,in 1447 make the small one wheeled car for load and shoot the powder weapons


公元1450年，兰州守备李进等人发明制造了独轮火攻战车。据史籍记载，该车?上施皮屋，前用木板，画兽面，凿口，置碗口铣四，枪四，神机箭十四，树旗一。行为阵，止为营??


in 1450 the commander of china gansu province invent the one wheeled war car load the the shenjijian

If those are samething, shenjijian(神机箭) must be Singijeon(神機箭)'s re-copy. And look at the middle word 机. It's the same meaning. but it`s more simpler than 機.
People always try to use more simple words for imtate or copy something.

in old chinese word the 机is機, today taiwan and hongkang use it , the 机is china simpler word

Technology came from many sources.

Korea received its black powder technology from China. Over the years, Korea refined it to its own use.

Did you know that in the 17th century China bought their matchlocks from Korea because the quality was very good? Where did Korea get their matchlock technology originally? Japan. Where did Japan get their matchlock technology originally? Portuguese sailors. However, Korean matchlock technology didn't improve until they came into possession of Dutch matchlocks. So, Chinese matchlocks from the 17th century were Korean-made, but based upon European technology.

It's funny how many things come around full circle.

Thank you for the prompt reply MechWar! 8) That Nozzleless design is most unusual. All rockets I have seen of this construction were either had a clay nozzle or had one formed by choking the rear end of the case.

Thomas Duvernay wrote:

Technology came from many sources.

Korea received its black powder technology from China. Over the years, Korea refined it to its own use.

Did you know that in the 17th century China bought their matchlocks from Korea because the quality was very good? Where did Korea get their matchlock technology originally? Japan. Where did Japan get their matchlock technology originally? Portuguese sailors. However, Korean matchlock technology didn't improve until they came into possession of Dutch matchlocks. So, Chinese matchlocks from the 17th century were Korean-made, but based upon European technology.

It's funny how many things come around full circle.

A very good point Thomas. Another good example of this would be the manufacturing techniques used to produce Japanese swords i.e. folding the steel and differential tempering. These techniques both originated in China. Indeed what we call a samurai sword today evolved from a type of dao that was used during the Tang dynasty in CHina and the Three Kingdoms Period in Korea. The Japanese name for this weapon was Chokuto

Zen bodhism and bonsai trees are also from china.

I think the kyodo bows however are original Japanese invention.

We as people always seem to need to assign the earliest origin of an invention to a particular place or person. No invention happens in a vacuum. Most are just slight improvements on another commonly known idea.

This is just slightly off topic but Andrew Hall has sent me information about laminated bamboo bows being found in 5-3 C BCE ( Warring States) tombs in China. But how could one definitely know that they were invented there (There was no country of China back then anyway) since Chinese have always been willing to assimilate technology of other cultures?

Nor did Japanese invent asymmetry in bow design as any student of the Hunnic bow can demonstrate.

Therefore to describe the yumi as unique to Japan is not exactly accurate. But of course, I love the shape anyway. =j=

Hear is another youtube video on this subject. Its all in korean though
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBD6W2X2v7w I would klike to try making one of these fire arrows myself but doing so would likley cuse me to lose a finger or two or end up in jail... :cry:

Yeah.. that is pretty good video,
It is a documentary about korean's first rocket arrow.
i want make this, too..
but.. it`s very dangerous work. :(
Be careful.... and good luck :)