Flightshooting results?
Horn bows is by many considered more high performance than wooden bows. Perhaps that is most due to the old turkish tradition. Still, horn and sinew is said to be able to store more energy per weight unit than wood, so heavy-weight horn bows should in principle have an advantage over wooden bows. Traditionally the performance of a bow was measured by how far it could shoot.
This being probably the biggest water hole for horn bow archers, I figured it could be interesting to hear what your results have been?
If you have been doing some serious flight shooting and measured the distance: what distance was it, and what kind of bow and arrow did you shoot it with?
I haven't flight shot any horn bow yet, but have been shooting wooden bows for distance a few years.
- since I have nothing else to start with, I'll put out this one:
It is an 80# @ 25" bamboo/ipe extreme holmeg?rd bow. It was most likely drawn to 26-27", without any overdraw. The grip is close to centershot, but the arrow was shot from the hand. It was shot with a 6-ply D-75 string with linnen center serving. The string and therefore also the bow broke on the third shot that day. The bow had been shooting around 100 arrows before that, and was what I would call shot in. The bow weighed 454 grams.
The arrow was made from spruce with an iron nail as a point, and is 27" long. It is about 8,8cm at the thickest part, which is at the center, tapering down to about 3-4mm at each end. The nock was not reinforced with anything, just cut 90 degrees across the grovth rings. It is a little forward heavy - it balances about 2cm forward of the center. It was painted with regular clear car paint and sanded in between the 5-10 layers, with a heavy polish afterwards. It is as shiny as practiacally possible. The fletchings was around 1,75cm long, and not higher than 5mm.
There was a slight downwind of probably not more than 3-5 meters per second, and the range was close to flat. The shot was measured with a 50-meter glass-fibre armed measuring tape.
The shot was measured to 370 meters, or 404 yards.
See pictures:
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c137/ ... G_3518.jpg
http://forum.bueforum.no/download/file.php?id=113
This being probably the biggest water hole for horn bow archers, I figured it could be interesting to hear what your results have been?
If you have been doing some serious flight shooting and measured the distance: what distance was it, and what kind of bow and arrow did you shoot it with?
I haven't flight shot any horn bow yet, but have been shooting wooden bows for distance a few years.
- since I have nothing else to start with, I'll put out this one:
It is an 80# @ 25" bamboo/ipe extreme holmeg?rd bow. It was most likely drawn to 26-27", without any overdraw. The grip is close to centershot, but the arrow was shot from the hand. It was shot with a 6-ply D-75 string with linnen center serving. The string and therefore also the bow broke on the third shot that day. The bow had been shooting around 100 arrows before that, and was what I would call shot in. The bow weighed 454 grams.
The arrow was made from spruce with an iron nail as a point, and is 27" long. It is about 8,8cm at the thickest part, which is at the center, tapering down to about 3-4mm at each end. The nock was not reinforced with anything, just cut 90 degrees across the grovth rings. It is a little forward heavy - it balances about 2cm forward of the center. It was painted with regular clear car paint and sanded in between the 5-10 layers, with a heavy polish afterwards. It is as shiny as practiacally possible. The fletchings was around 1,75cm long, and not higher than 5mm.
There was a slight downwind of probably not more than 3-5 meters per second, and the range was close to flat. The shot was measured with a 50-meter glass-fibre armed measuring tape.
The shot was measured to 370 meters, or 404 yards.
See pictures:
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c137/ ... G_3518.jpg
http://forum.bueforum.no/download/file.php?id=113
congratulations !!!!!!!
it seems that you put down a flight shooting word record . unlimited primitive simple composite 321.72m by Dewayne Smith , scored in 2003 .
i'am speechless .
it seems that you put down a flight shooting word record . unlimited primitive simple composite 321.72m by Dewayne Smith , scored in 2003 .
i'am speechless .
:oops: Thanks, but I am afraid I should have used a natural material string for it to be a world record. It would probably have beaten the current record anyway with a good linnen string, but I still shot it with a near zero mass plastic string :) Our norwegian rules for the historical class does allow such strings however.
As you may have noticed, I am struggeling to make a shootable horn bow for the coming flight shooting season. Don't think they will be able to outshoot my wooden bows this year. But still, just holding an unstrung turkish bow in the hand, does seem to convince me that it could do very well, even though I won't be able to use a superlight string on them. So I'm very interested in hearing how different horn bows perform on the flight range. :)
As you may have noticed, I am struggeling to make a shootable horn bow for the coming flight shooting season. Don't think they will be able to outshoot my wooden bows this year. But still, just holding an unstrung turkish bow in the hand, does seem to convince me that it could do very well, even though I won't be able to use a superlight string on them. So I'm very interested in hearing how different horn bows perform on the flight range. :)
Hmm, there must be someone here that have shot their horn bow for distance?
As soon as I have made some new flight arrows with a wider nock, I will test my first "turkish" horn bow. I'm not able to draw it further than 20-22", but it will be fun anyway :)
As soon as I have made some new flight arrows with a wider nock, I will test my first "turkish" horn bow. I'm not able to draw it further than 20-22", but it will be fun anyway :)
I suppose it might be easier finding a field for flight shooting than one for distance shooting. Several of us did find a bare field for which to practice shooting at a Korean style target at 120m. This was challenging. My #45 osage bow could make only an accidental hit with my 27 gram target arrows at the distance. Newer 20 gram arrows were not so much better. Experimental 14 gram arrows were hard to aim, too light for good control. In the end I swallowed my pride and broke out my Korean synthetic. This made 120m well within range.
In Korea I bought a real horn over synthetic type prototype which was livelier than the former synthetic of the same weight. Noticeably, this bow reacts to weather conditions but not so severely as a real hornbow.
In short, in my draw weight, less than #50, I have not noticed an amazing difference between self and horn bows. And I am still lacking an empty space of appropriate size.
Congratulations on your accomplishments. We are watching!
Is your bow too strong to be drawn fully? Jack
In Korea I bought a real horn over synthetic type prototype which was livelier than the former synthetic of the same weight. Noticeably, this bow reacts to weather conditions but not so severely as a real hornbow.
In short, in my draw weight, less than #50, I have not noticed an amazing difference between self and horn bows. And I am still lacking an empty space of appropriate size.
Congratulations on your accomplishments. We are watching!
Is your bow too strong to be drawn fully? Jack
Ok, here?s my result using full length arrows and Turkish hornbow. The bow pulls about 60 pounds, shot with the thumbring. I used 28 inch 300-350 grains barreled wood arrows and also a 27 inch 300 grain ACE carbon arrow.
I didn?t want to use lighter arrows because I don?t want to break my expensive bow. I don?t have a siper for using shorter arrows.
Best shot with the wood arrows: 260 yards
Best shot with carbon arrows: 296 yards
The bow is a target (puta) bow, so a flight bow using lighter arrows can improve the distance.
I admit these records aren?t impressive, I expected to go further than 300 yards. Maybe next time.
I didn?t want to use lighter arrows because I don?t want to break my expensive bow. I don?t have a siper for using shorter arrows.
Best shot with the wood arrows: 260 yards
Best shot with carbon arrows: 296 yards
The bow is a target (puta) bow, so a flight bow using lighter arrows can improve the distance.
I admit these records aren?t impressive, I expected to go further than 300 yards. Maybe next time.
Jack, I was mainly thinking of one-shot flight shooting. Finding a proper, secure field for flight shooting can be troublesome. Usually there's a window of opportunity in spring and fall, when the fields are not in use. I've also used two old airplane runways.
Target archery at 120 meters is something I've been thinking of trying for a long time. Seeing the korean bows being shot at 120 meters sure gives the impression that they are quite a bit faster than any normal wooden bow.
My first "turkish" is stacking like mad. It is around 85# at 20-22", but after 22"-23" it is like hitting the wall of a compound :roll: Not only when drawing it by hand, but also when using a rope and pulley on the tiller. The angles of the recurves are way off, and the handle is too long... I should make a draw-force curve on it some day. It sure feels quick though :)
Interesting numbers, Jos?. Nothing wrong with those. It is further than the majority of my target (wood)bows. What kind of surface finish did the wood arrows have, and were they flight-fletched? I think a well polished barreled wooden arrow could go further than most standard carbon arrows, so I don't think passing 300 yards should be too difficult. How much reflex did the bow have just after being unstrung?
Target archery at 120 meters is something I've been thinking of trying for a long time. Seeing the korean bows being shot at 120 meters sure gives the impression that they are quite a bit faster than any normal wooden bow.
My first "turkish" is stacking like mad. It is around 85# at 20-22", but after 22"-23" it is like hitting the wall of a compound :roll: Not only when drawing it by hand, but also when using a rope and pulley on the tiller. The angles of the recurves are way off, and the handle is too long... I should make a draw-force curve on it some day. It sure feels quick though :)
Interesting numbers, Jos?. Nothing wrong with those. It is further than the majority of my target (wood)bows. What kind of surface finish did the wood arrows have, and were they flight-fletched? I think a well polished barreled wooden arrow could go further than most standard carbon arrows, so I don't think passing 300 yards should be too difficult. How much reflex did the bow have just after being unstrung?
Kviljo,
The surface of the arrows is just a normal sealer/varnish. The fletchings are next to the nock opening, in the same style of the Turkish arrows. Maybe they should be smaller but they are matched to the bow.
About the reflex, if I measure a straight line from tip to tip on the unstrung bow, there are 29 inches. After using the bow, it opens to maybe 35 but the reflex comes again after a few days.
The surface of the arrows is just a normal sealer/varnish. The fletchings are next to the nock opening, in the same style of the Turkish arrows. Maybe they should be smaller but they are matched to the bow.
About the reflex, if I measure a straight line from tip to tip on the unstrung bow, there are 29 inches. After using the bow, it opens to maybe 35 but the reflex comes again after a few days.
Mi knowlledge about Korean distance is 145 m . Where was born yours 120 m ? Or am i wrong ?
Dusan; You are correct; Korean targets are at 145m. Then the WTAF reduced the distance to 120m, for what reason I do not know. There is general difficulty fitting this range into other sports formats not associated with korean archery. Or maybe they were trying to help archers save face.
When the location was moved to a new location, the target had to be set at 90m! There simply was not enough space. So most of the stressing over distance was for naught.
The lesson for a traditional archer is to be prepared for anything.
But this has nothing to do with flight archery, except that flight would be an interesting addition World traditional archery using the same equipment.
When the location was moved to a new location, the target had to be set at 90m! There simply was not enough space. So most of the stressing over distance was for naught.
The lesson for a traditional archer is to be prepared for anything.
But this has nothing to do with flight archery, except that flight would be an interesting addition World traditional archery using the same equipment.
I am no friendly vith reduced distance... Hell :lol: , we live in cosmic age , and we cant shoot in 145 m ?... :roll:
Come to WTAF and show them how it is done.
Misa (from Czech rep.) was last WTAF there , and tell me about this meating. So hot and humidity climate for me :lol: . He shoot vith his modern korean bow replika (65lb) vith no problem to 145 Korean target :lol:I dont shoot vith weaken bows than 65 lb too .(only mi real Korean Hornbow have advantage - he is only 55lb -in 30, 60lb in 32)
I regret only chance meet so many interesting "archery" people... Maybe you boys com near to ours borders to "WTAF left brother"- Hungary.
I regret only chance meet so many interesting "archery" people... Maybe you boys com near to ours borders to "WTAF left brother"- Hungary.
last WTAF , the korean target was set to 90 m . i can tell you that for (absolutely) sure . to shoot at 90 m is one thing , to shoot at 145 is another . to shoot korean carbon standard arrows at this range is one thing , to shoot pine 10 mm thick arrows (my case) is another story . in our competitions non-wood(bamboo,rivercane) arrows are forbidden . no carbons , no aluminiums .
until "WTAF little left brother" , there is "V?etick? Naadam" in Czech Rep , on 25-27 June 2010 . I won't come to Czech Rep this year , but some coleagues of mine will go . Maybe we'll meet in Hungary . Who knows .
until "WTAF little left brother" , there is "V?etick? Naadam" in Czech Rep , on 25-27 June 2010 . I won't come to Czech Rep this year , but some coleagues of mine will go . Maybe we'll meet in Hungary . Who knows .
Mistake. Misa was in 2008 not in last WTAF... Its very posible that i com in Vseticky Naadam.