Egyptian, Again
This bow is about three years old. It shoots well. Ibex horn over hard maple, elk sinew, pearl and fish glue, 57" LOA, 1" x 1" grip, #45 @ 26" shown but draws to 31". Birch skin covers all surface to nocks, decoration of painted and woven birch bark glued over. Gold leaf. Grip of knotted string and paint. The plans are in the archive. All authentic details.
Note that when drawn these bows make an arc such that in artwork are not always detectible as composites.
Note that when drawn these bows make an arc such that in artwork are not always detectible as composites.
Nice bow and it's also great to see the decoration! When I read McLeod's book I didn't fully understand the descriptions. I will have to read it again carefully when I'm there, but first I have to redo my core.
What do you mean by woven birch bark?
Daniel
What do you mean by woven birch bark?
Daniel
Great bow you mention that plans are in archive but i can't find it could you please give the link?
Beautiful work Jack. Do you have a picture of the bow unstrung?
Adam
Adam
very Beautiful made by a Artist jack
That's a really good looking bow! Thanks for posting the pictures!
Here's the plans, I think :)
http://atarn.org/islamic/egyptian_composite.htm
From where have the dimentions been gathered? - or are they something you found by experimenting?
Here's the plans, I think :)
http://atarn.org/islamic/egyptian_composite.htm
From where have the dimentions been gathered? - or are they something you found by experimenting?
Nice decoration work Jack . I know your bow from your oldiest posts. Now is more beatifull :lol: .You have only this one Ibex horns ? In scytian bow you need too ... More than Buff.
Yopur construction , is one of more variation. I remember that some of Egyptian bows have same comlicate construction like your new scytian- vertical horn plate in midle of arm , left - right wood, or back nad belly horn- and vertical wood plates in midle. Looks like this complicated construction was in this old times very popular.
Yopur construction , is one of more variation. I remember that some of Egyptian bows have same comlicate construction like your new scytian- vertical horn plate in midle of arm , left - right wood, or back nad belly horn- and vertical wood plates in midle. Looks like this complicated construction was in this old times very popular.
This bow is a slightly simplified version of the Sakkara bow in the Brooklyn Museum published by McLeod in 1960. In fact the dimensions are quite accurate. I chose this one so success would be more assured as it is the longest one of this type. The nock, grip, skin, string and decoration come directly from McLeod's later Tut archery books.
After the first version of this bow broke in five places, I scavenged the horn and remade it on the same form.
There would have actually been maple (Acer tauricolm,((not tartaric maple)) ) in nearby Lebanon which could have been imported. Most all the materials for hornbows were imported into Egypt at the time.
Here is the bow relaxed with linen string and some appropriate arrows. 30" not 31. -j
After the first version of this bow broke in five places, I scavenged the horn and remade it on the same form.
There would have actually been maple (Acer tauricolm,((not tartaric maple)) ) in nearby Lebanon which could have been imported. Most all the materials for hornbows were imported into Egypt at the time.
Here is the bow relaxed with linen string and some appropriate arrows. 30" not 31. -j
Pretty :)
I love the decoration
I love the decoration
Jack, this bow is much more than pretty.
I know very well what a delicious job it is to do the angle and to do the lamination work, not to talk about the decoration job. I know some ATARNOS are hollering about the drawweight, but that?s only a figure. To do the reconstruction seriously according to all the available actual info, that?s the job.
If you?ve got it, you are able to double the drawweight. To understand the principles of a design that?s the point.
Jack, what means woven birch bark?
Congrats again, go on like that.................
Michael
I know very well what a delicious job it is to do the angle and to do the lamination work, not to talk about the decoration job. I know some ATARNOS are hollering about the drawweight, but that?s only a figure. To do the reconstruction seriously according to all the available actual info, that?s the job.
If you?ve got it, you are able to double the drawweight. To understand the principles of a design that?s the point.
Jack, what means woven birch bark?
Congrats again, go on like that.................
Michael
We Atarnos who know how worked vith angels and angulars vith no problem , and have problem only vith haevy bows who can repeted old records, envy your 15 lb no reflex bow experiences ...
Woven birchbark. Take a rectangular piece of bark, cut long slits in the middle. Weave in painted strips of equal width. Insert glue under the intersections. Woven checkerboard birchbark design- a favorite among Egyptians.
This was also done in leather for quivers, even in tapering strips.
The purpose of making the bow is to understand what archery was like in the period. This is not a Turkish bow. This is not the equal of late period bows. It is not loaded down with later improvements. It is what it is.
But it shoots well and is fun to shoot.
This was also done in leather for quivers, even in tapering strips.
The purpose of making the bow is to understand what archery was like in the period. This is not a Turkish bow. This is not the equal of late period bows. It is not loaded down with later improvements. It is what it is.
But it shoots well and is fun to shoot.
Ansolutely beautiful Jack, both the shape and the decoration. I've never encountered that woven bark checker technique.
We know, of course, that you do not need 70-80-120 pound bows to kill dinner or an enemy. A 45 pound bow, with a well-placed shot, will kill any game animal except the large bears and Africa's Big Five game animals. And humans out to 200 meters.
We know, of course, that you do not need 70-80-120 pound bows to kill dinner or an enemy. A 45 pound bow, with a well-placed shot, will kill any game animal except the large bears and Africa's Big Five game animals. And humans out to 200 meters.
Mi answer was not for Jack. :roll:
Jacks bow was super . Good job . (I am no again if will be heavier ... :lol: but its ok. )
Jacks bow was super . Good job . (I am no again if will be heavier ... :lol: but its ok. )
Beautiyfull bow and art work!
Congratulations Jack, I like your works.
Cem
Cem
Hi Jack,
amazing! A very impressing piece of art! Congratulations!
Peter
amazing! A very impressing piece of art! Congratulations!
Peter
Jack-
Great work. A true functional work of art. I envy your abilities.
Great work. A true functional work of art. I envy your abilities.
I decided to divert the discussion on the similarity of the Scythian bow construction to the Egyptian angular one to this old topic.
This is a pic from S. Wachsmann of Ibex horns from the Near east. The folks are modeling them in the same format as the Minoans in the Egyptian murals.
Minoans brought Ibex to Pharoe. These Ibex were brought to Farrell. HA!!! http://files.me.com/wachsmann/deed6i
This is a pic from S. Wachsmann of Ibex horns from the Near east. The folks are modeling them in the same format as the Minoans in the Egyptian murals.
Minoans brought Ibex to Pharoe. These Ibex were brought to Farrell. HA!!! http://files.me.com/wachsmann/deed6i
i can't see any pics? judging by the comments, i wish i could!
all that ibex horn,I am drooling,lol
Great pic, I can?t see any difference to the basic shape of any other type of horn? Please help!
Michael
Michael
:D Ouu, Jack .... How much i envy you !!! :lol:
Michael; They could be oryx or even ivory etc, etc. The key was in the clothing. Minoans did not export oryx or ivory but they did come offering the products of their lands.
Thats funny! :)
Thanks the link!
Thanks the link!
Jack, I know, but why has a Scythian bow(yanghai) to be made of ibex. Ibex is basically looking like any other type of horn, whether you are using the sidewalls or the curves?
So we?ll never know what kind of horn an Egyptian or Scythian bowyer has used exactly if there has never been any scientifically research.
We could derive it from the determing use of totems etc.
But otherwise it is also known that ancient people would never use any part of a totem for to make items of daily use like weapons.
Michael
So we?ll never know what kind of horn an Egyptian or Scythian bowyer has used exactly if there has never been any scientifically research.
We could derive it from the determing use of totems etc.
But otherwise it is also known that ancient people would never use any part of a totem for to make items of daily use like weapons.
Michael
Michael; Good question. This article by Wachsmann reenforces the use of Ibex for EGYPTIAN BOWS.
I believe that you should make this exact question on the Yanghai article thread. You might also ask how the determination of Ibex totem etc occurred.
I believe that you should make this exact question on the Yanghai article thread. You might also ask how the determination of Ibex totem etc occurred.