Quing/Mongolian quiver
I'm trying my hand at an arrow quiver like the ones discussed by Stephen.I've seen pictures that show the inner loops/dividers near the quiver mouth that separate the arrow shafts. Anyone have any idea as to the inside construction further down?
Thanks,
Boghadair
Thanks,
Boghadair
Are you trying to make a Qing quiver or a Tibetan quiver?
Bede,
uhm, yes. :-) I'm basing it on several things. the basic shape after the recently posted antique Tibetan quiver sold on the ashokaarts website,and the Mongolian one in Stephen's ATARN article on Chinese bow holsters/quivers from July 2000. the Tibetan one shows the inside dividers clearly at the top. I'd like to be able to carry 20-24 arrows,plus a pocket on the back for whistlers and flu-flus. I think I've figured out how to make a sandwich of it all with the frame,and a full length divider,to have 2 rows of 10-12 shafts. I see "modern" Mongolian quivers being sold with cloth loops separating the shafts.
Any idea how many shafts the average quiver of that style held?(Tibetan/Mongolian- flat with the flared bottom,and lots of shaft sticking out, Not the long tapered round rectangular type that held points upward)
Thanks,
Boghadair
uhm, yes. :-) I'm basing it on several things. the basic shape after the recently posted antique Tibetan quiver sold on the ashokaarts website,and the Mongolian one in Stephen's ATARN article on Chinese bow holsters/quivers from July 2000. the Tibetan one shows the inside dividers clearly at the top. I'd like to be able to carry 20-24 arrows,plus a pocket on the back for whistlers and flu-flus. I think I've figured out how to make a sandwich of it all with the frame,and a full length divider,to have 2 rows of 10-12 shafts. I see "modern" Mongolian quivers being sold with cloth loops separating the shafts.
Any idea how many shafts the average quiver of that style held?(Tibetan/Mongolian- flat with the flared bottom,and lots of shaft sticking out, Not the long tapered round rectangular type that held points upward)
Thanks,
Boghadair
I have made reproductions of the Qing quivers. The military manuals specify a certain number of arrows for parade purposes, but the quivers will hold many more. I have on occasions put between 30 and 60 arrows in one, but I did use the pockets (three) for extra arrows. I think that that was unlikely when hunting or war arrows were concerned.
The loop separators in Tibetan quivers are not common in Manchu quivers. The usual spacer was a strip of folded felt bent into a "U" and tied to the inside of the quiver at the leading and trailing edges. Two metal bolts at roughly the one third and two thirds points could be tightened to hold the arrows in place. The two sides of opening of the "U" were tied together with the same thong that attached the spacer to the inside of the mouth of the quiver. This produced three sections in parallel in the mouth of the quiver.
The narrow, long Tibetan quivers sometimes had a wooden strip in the opening running from leading edge to trailing edge. Then a leather cord was taken through two holes, one in the outside face and one on the inside face. This divided the opening internally into four sections.
The loop separators in Tibetan quivers are not common in Manchu quivers. The usual spacer was a strip of folded felt bent into a "U" and tied to the inside of the quiver at the leading and trailing edges. Two metal bolts at roughly the one third and two thirds points could be tightened to hold the arrows in place. The two sides of opening of the "U" were tied together with the same thong that attached the spacer to the inside of the mouth of the quiver. This produced three sections in parallel in the mouth of the quiver.
The narrow, long Tibetan quivers sometimes had a wooden strip in the opening running from leading edge to trailing edge. Then a leather cord was taken through two holes, one in the outside face and one on the inside face. This divided the opening internally into four sections.
Bede,
many thanks for that info.
Boghadair
many thanks for that info.
Boghadair
What Bede said. :)
Come to think of it, I think a major reason for the Manchus to construct the quivers as they did was because a number of their arrow types had rather wide arrowheads.
Even soldiers had a choice between sleek military heads and wider multi-purpose broadheads when filling their quivers. The wider examples can be as wide as 60 mm and would be harder to pull out of a quiver with many separators like the Tibetan type.
-Peter
Come to think of it, I think a major reason for the Manchus to construct the quivers as they did was because a number of their arrow types had rather wide arrowheads.
Even soldiers had a choice between sleek military heads and wider multi-purpose broadheads when filling their quivers. The wider examples can be as wide as 60 mm and would be harder to pull out of a quiver with many separators like the Tibetan type.
-Peter
Peter,
makes sense. fortunately I'm only using field points and modern whistler heads,so no extra bulk.
makes sense. fortunately I'm only using field points and modern whistler heads,so no extra bulk.
Hi,
please how looks Qing quiver and Tibetan quiver? Do you have some picture of originals?
please how looks Qing quiver and Tibetan quiver? Do you have some picture of originals?
I did nice reproduction.You can check it under Manchu quiver.
To be honest, that is my favorite
To be honest, that is my favorite
Thank you Zack. I will check it! :wink: