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Is it tatar maple?

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Vonegelut
I have a question for you guys! Is it Tatar maple? And if I am right, what is the dimensions of the stave would be (diametr, long etc)? For medium draw weight (turkish or hunnic bow 60-70pound
Thanks for everybody!
scemdonmez
Yes ,it is .
Min. 8-10 cm diameter is enough. Wood must be excellent,no defects are allowed. Grains should be straigt, without nocks and no twist. Young T. maple grains are thick.

Cem
Vonegelut

scemdonmez wrote:

Yes ,it is .
Min. 8-10 cm diameter is enough. Wood must be excellent,no defects are allowed. Grains should be straigt, without nocks and no twist. Young T. maple grains are thick.

Cem

?ok teşekk?rler!!!!
Thanx for your help! I was in Turkey in Istanbul. I like it very much!
Vonegelut

scemdonmez wrote:

Yes ,it is .
Min. 8-10 cm diameter is enough. Wood must be excellent,no defects are allowed. Grains should be straigt, without nocks and no twist. Young T. maple grains are thick.

Cem

And how long it will stays to dry?
scemdonmez
İt is better one year in the form.
jack farrell
Vonegelut; If I were you I might concentrate on Tatar or Kazakh designs. The colder weather there might indicate that a longer design would be desirable. At this point you should buy Adam Karpowicz's book on Ottoman bow building. The techniques would apply directly to both of the mentioned designs.

A Hunnic bow is actually much more difficult to build correctly as the Turkic designs were simplified for better production and greater range.
Uli
is there a typical kazak bow design ?
jack farrell
Uli, Dusan posted at least two of them in his posts on bows in Russian collections.

Take a Turkish bow and stretch it out and reflex the grip area.
Uli
Thanks Jack, I ll look it up.

Mr. Tulegenov: see pics how you can use a small branch to make a three-piece core (two limbs + grip) .. you don't have to cut down the whole tree ;-) good luck !

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Vonegelut

jack farrell wrote:

Vonegelut; If I were you I might concentrate on Tatar or Kazakh designs. The colder weather there might indicate that a longer design would be desirable. At this point you should buy Adam Karpowicz's book on Ottoman bow building. The techniques would apply directly to both of the mentioned designs.

A Hunnic bow is actually much more difficult to build correctly as the Turkic designs were simplified for better production and greater range.

Ok. Thanx Jack! So how can I order Adam's book?
Vonegelut

Uli wrote:

Thanks Jack, I ll look it up.

Mr. Tulegenov: see pics how you can use a small branch to make a three-piece core (two limbs + grip) .. you don't have to cut down the whole tree ;-) good luck !

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Ok. You know, today I spent 2 hours, looking for a more tatar maple. And I was suprised - there are a lot of it, & I found a Field Maple too. But most of them are twisted & lot of knots.
Vonegelut

scemdonmez wrote:

İt is better one year in the form.

No, I mean - if I just cut the green tree, split it in a half (for example)? So I must wait it became dry?
jiao
Vonegelut,you are form kazakhstan? the wind is a reason of the tree twisted , can you find tatar maple in the south mountain area or mountain surround Campagna area? i see the satellitic map of kazakhstan , the big mountain in border of china and kazakhstan, and i can sure china has tatar maple
Vonegelut

jiao wrote:

Vonegelut,you are form kazakhstan? the wind is a reason of the tree twisted , can you find tatar maple in the south mountain area or mountain surround Campagna area? i see the satellitic map of kazakhstan , the big mountain in border of china and kazakhstan, and i can sure china has tatar maple

yeah! I live in Almaty, Western Tien - Shan. I went to China, Urumchi 1 year ago, my kazakh friends live there
Uli
No, I mean - if I just cut the green tree, split it in a half (for example)? So I must wait it became dry?

no you can use it immediatly and then let dry after application of the sinew
green wood bends much better
So how can I order Adam's book?

http://www.ottoman-turkish-bows.com/

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Zoran Pavlovic
Here's an ash sapling. You can use ash tree too, it is not so bad to accept glue. There were minor knots here but not at critical places.It is needed to remove the bark first, of course.
Greets,
Vonegelut

Uli wrote:

No, I mean - if I just cut the green tree, split it in a half (for example)? So I must wait it became dry?

no you can use it immediatly and then let dry after application of the sinew
green wood bends much better
So how can I order Adam's book?

http://www.ottoman-turkish-bows.com/

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Thanx!!! For help Uli!!!!!!!!!!! Ok. You know the first manual about asiatic bow making I saw in video made by americans John McPherson & Jeffrey Schmidt. You can find it on Youtube
Have a nice day!
Vonegelut

Zoran Pavlovic wrote:

Here's an ash sapling. You can use ash tree too, it is not so bad to accept glue. There were minor knots here but not at critical places.It is needed to remove the bark first, of course.
Greets,

Ok Thanx for you too!