About quiver origin
Hi,
I want to get your ideas about confusing (at least for me) quiver question.
These quivers and bowcases (which probably you have seen many times from Germany, Austria, Poland) tagged as Turkish-Ottoman. They could be Crimmean Tatar as well, in the aspect of the geometry and ornament method they most probably Ottoman, but my point is, do you have any idea about the "double head" shaped ornament? It seems like scythian
folklor but could not get why it is used on these.
Thanks in advance.
I want to get your ideas about confusing (at least for me) quiver question.
These quivers and bowcases (which probably you have seen many times from Germany, Austria, Poland) tagged as Turkish-Ottoman. They could be Crimmean Tatar as well, in the aspect of the geometry and ornament method they most probably Ottoman, but my point is, do you have any idea about the "double head" shaped ornament? It seems like scythian
folklor but could not get why it is used on these.
Thanks in advance.
I think you will find that it is a stylised crescent moon. I would not put too much weight on the metal fittings that support the straps since they are not fixed and can be removed and swapped with other quivers.
The surviving early Crimean Tatar quivers in Polish collections are wood framed leather quivers not as elegant as the high grade quivers in some German collections.
The inside face straps on Turkish quivers mean that they could easily balance correctly even with long Tatar arrows (+ 81 cm) so it is easy to imagine that the Tatars could and would have used Turkish quivers if they were available. The famous Polish engraving of a Tatar Khan of the early 1800s shows quivers very similar to the Turkish ones. The bow armed cavalry in the Ottoman armies of the 17th century were nearly all Tatars in the European wars so many captured quivers would have belonged to them too.
The surviving early Crimean Tatar quivers in Polish collections are wood framed leather quivers not as elegant as the high grade quivers in some German collections.
The inside face straps on Turkish quivers mean that they could easily balance correctly even with long Tatar arrows (+ 81 cm) so it is easy to imagine that the Tatars could and would have used Turkish quivers if they were available. The famous Polish engraving of a Tatar Khan of the early 1800s shows quivers very similar to the Turkish ones. The bow armed cavalry in the Ottoman armies of the 17th century were nearly all Tatars in the European wars so many captured quivers would have belonged to them too.
Thank you Bede.
I aggree most of your points. But the issue is, almost all of the samples which this kind of ornament used, the points of "crescent" shape is lion or dragon head. So it is supposed to be (at least I thought) it should have a spesific usage intention and/or mean.
On the other hand, yes, these could be belong to Tatars or Ottoman Turks and most probably to Tatars cause as they are generally famous with their embrodiery work. But, not sure cause especially after 16c, Ottoman area is the biggest exporter for especially warfare equipment to Tatar area.
Anyway, I think this subject will be as an enigma some more time...
I aggree most of your points. But the issue is, almost all of the samples which this kind of ornament used, the points of "crescent" shape is lion or dragon head. So it is supposed to be (at least I thought) it should have a spesific usage intention and/or mean.
On the other hand, yes, these could be belong to Tatars or Ottoman Turks and most probably to Tatars cause as they are generally famous with their embrodiery work. But, not sure cause especially after 16c, Ottoman area is the biggest exporter for especially warfare equipment to Tatar area.
Anyway, I think this subject will be as an enigma some more time...