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New Korean Horn Bow on eBay

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Thomas Duvernay
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 7210681853

This is a new horn bow, made in 2001 by Geuk-hwan Park. It is one of only a handful of his marvelous bows left. The "tiger tail" chevrons are especially beautiful.

I have to head back to Korea earlier than anticipated, so this will probably be the last auction I put up while here.

Thomas
Romain
I have decided to register on E-bay just for bidding on this one :)

Alas ! I fear it will not stay cheap for too long...
Romain
Dear Thomas,

As you know, I have bid on your bow (up to a max of 1000 USD). This morning, the auction ended, I had been outbid at 1025 USD and anyway, we were all below your reserve price.

Then in the hours following the end, I received this message :
Question de brianhugh
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Activit?s pour brianhugh (90 derniers jours) :
- J'ai ench?ri sur 0 objet de brianhugh

A propos de ce membre :
brianhugh (1)
Evaluations positives : 100 %
Membre depuis : 06-mars-01
Lieu : CA,?tats-Unis
Inscrit sur : www.ebay.com

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Do not reply to this email . Contact the seller at
this e-mail address : [email protected]. You expressed interest in an item titled
(Korean Horn Bow)(Item 7210681853) by bidding, however the auction has ended with
another member as the high bidder. In compliance with eBay policy, the seller of
that item is making this Second Chance Offer to you at your bid price of US 1,000.00
. The seller has issued this Second Chance Offer because either the winning bidder
was unable to complete the transaction . If you accept this offer, you will be able
to exchange Feedback with
the seller and will be eligible for eBay services
associated with a transaction, such as fraud protection. To purchase this item,
don't reply to this mail, just contact the seller at [email protected]

Thank you,
eBay, Inc

Do not reply to this email . Contact the seller at
this e-mail address :[email protected]


Regards ,
bluelake

Then, as I found this message strange, I copied-pasted it to you in another Personnal Message to ask if it was coming from you or from one of your friends.

And in the following hour, my brand new ebay account was suspended for "gross violation" of ebay rules !!!!

What's happening to me ? :(
Thomas Duvernay
Wow! I don't know, as I didn't have anything to do with it. The e-mail address in what you received has nothing to do with me (spoof?). I did, however, receive the following message from eBay:
Dear bluelake:

Our records indicate that you recently sent an email to or received an email from gallussinensis through the eBay email system (for example, you may have sent an email to this member through Ask Seller a Question or received an email from this member through Contact eBay Member).

Sometimes eBay accounts are used to send email solicitations for transactions outside of eBay, or to send unrelated questions in hopes that you will respond so that the other party can obtain your email address. We wanted you to be aware of the potential fraud risk these solicitations pose and encourage you to be cautious about the email you received from this member.

Please keep in mind, sales that take place outside of eBay are not eligible for any eBay or PayPal protective services and you run the risk of losing your money or your item if you complete these transactions. We would encourage you to review the eBay pages related to Fraud Protection at the address provided below for information on steps you can take to ensure that your transactions are successful:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/tp/isgw-buye ... steps.html

If you have already sent the item or sent payment for the item, please reply to this email and we will send you additional information about how to protect yourself.

Regards,

Trust & Safety Department

You and I had corresponded, as you had a new eBay account, with a "0" rating, so I asked who you were. You responded, to let me know it was you.

You should contact eBay to ask them why you were suspended.


Thomas
Romain
If only I had known that ebay reads personnal messages but is not able to understand them... The copy-paste is probably my big mistake.

Hopefully, when a human person (if there are any at ebay), well read (ditto), will take the time to check what I did and especially what I did not, I will be restored.

I'm an ebay criminal that never sold anything and even had no time to buy anything before being suspended.

I'm disappointed.
Thomas Duvernay
Besides Romain, I received another e-mail from a bidder that was a spoof 2nd chance. I sent out no 2nd chance offers through eBay, so if you received one, it wasn't from me. I tried e-mailing eBay with the spoof e-mails, but it looks like I can't do it myself; if you received a "second chance" offer, supposedly from me through eBay (like what Romain posted above), please forward it, with headers, to [email protected]

Here is from eBay's security forum:
The Scam: Counterfeit "Second Chance" Offer

Scenario:
Soon after losing a legitimate auction, the second place bidder gets an email, supposedly from the seller, stating the highest bidder pulled out of the sale, so the item is available. Second place bidder replies, and gets another email, telling bidder to transfer money to an address that is later proven to NOT be that of the real seller.

Protection:
Legitimate second chance offers exist. They can be offered if the high bidder backs out of an auction, or if the seller has multiple, identical items. Second chance offers will ALWAYS go through the eBay mail system, and will always be handled through an eBay auction -- not directly.


Thomas
Jason DuLac
Tom,

What a shame. This 'second chance offer' scam happend to my wife. She was selling a $2000 saddle and every one of the loosing bidders got a fake 'second chance offer' and one replied and lost $2000!!!!!! We felt horrible, but could do nothing. The winning bidder got the saddle and we got their money with no problem.

I hope for the sake of this bowyer that you've been able to sell the rest of his bows and equipment for good prices. Isn' there a social safety net for people with such dissabilities in Korea? I can't image that the few thousand dollars this man got for his equipment would support him for long. Sound like a trajedy all the way around. A crushing disabiltiy.

The more I see and read about Korean archery the more turned on to it I find myself becoming.

J.
Thomas Duvernay
Hi Jason,

There are some really shady characters in the world, but fortunately most people are good. I've had a couple things happen on eBay, including that scam, but most transactions went well.

The bowyer was doing fine the last time I saw him. I'm not really sure exactly what income he and his wife have now, but they seem to be doing o.k. I'll have to see him again sometime after I get back to Korea.


T
Jason DuLac
That's good to hear about the bowyer.

My wife and I've done a fair amount of business on ebay and rarely have a problem. More the exception to the rule and gives it a bad name.

J.
Thomas Duvernay
The only other thing that happened on eBay to me was when I had an iron spear point up for bid many years ago. A couple of bidders drove the price up to about $1,700; in the end, they turned out to just be fake (and the same person). Those accounts were deleted by eBay and the service charge was refunded to me.


T