LIQUID VS DRIED FISH GLUE
I have found a source for both liquid and dried fish glue. the liquid and the dried are both from Kremer wich I have seen mentioned quite a bit is various posts in this forum.
wich one works best for horn to core binding?
wich one is best for sinew to core binding?
Does anyone have expereince working with the liquid fish glue? it is less expensive and seems to be simpler to use.
I would appreciate hearing your insights and expereinces.
wich one works best for horn to core binding?
wich one is best for sinew to core binding?
Does anyone have expereince working with the liquid fish glue? it is less expensive and seems to be simpler to use.
I would appreciate hearing your insights and expereinces.
Chris this is not an answer to your question but an addition. I was getting ready to make some fish air bladder glue. And was wondering if anyone has made this from Grass Carp?, I have seen many other fish mentioned, But not carp. Carp are easy for me to get and should have alot of bladder to work with.
Matt
Matt
Matt:
Carp bladder is okay,but you need more time to deal with it.
Carp bladder is okay,but you need more time to deal with it.
There are plenty of techniques for constructing bows; but the general principle is that the cured/dried glue is a major active element in the structure of the working bow limb, rather than simply being an adhesive. Hornbows are basically made of glue. To play this role effectively, the glue must have as much penetration as possible into the core and other joints and the sinew. That is why many modern chemical glues don't match up to the effect of fish and hide glues.
More than one consistency of glue is required, depending on whether the task is (1) gluing the siyahs and grip assembly to the core and gluing the horn to the belly, (2) gluing the sinew and (3) adding birch bark.
Temperature is of paramount importance. Air bubbles will be trapped between surfaces or strands of sinew during each assembly step. A relatively high temperature is required to ensure that any trapped air or vapour will contract during the curing/drying process. Also, temperature is an important element in ensuring that the sinew is in optimum condition for attaching to the limbs.
Against the background of achieving different consistencies and temperatures suitable for each operation, it seems unlikely that a ready-made liquid glue would be so effective as individually prepared batches made from dried glue to meet each special need.
More than one consistency of glue is required, depending on whether the task is (1) gluing the siyahs and grip assembly to the core and gluing the horn to the belly, (2) gluing the sinew and (3) adding birch bark.
Temperature is of paramount importance. Air bubbles will be trapped between surfaces or strands of sinew during each assembly step. A relatively high temperature is required to ensure that any trapped air or vapour will contract during the curing/drying process. Also, temperature is an important element in ensuring that the sinew is in optimum condition for attaching to the limbs.
Against the background of achieving different consistencies and temperatures suitable for each operation, it seems unlikely that a ready-made liquid glue would be so effective as individually prepared batches made from dried glue to meet each special need.
To mirror what Stephen has posted, commercially prepared liquid hide glue is sub standard and not advisable. It is made for the purpose of glueing wooden musical instruments and furniture and even for this job, natural hide glue is superior (my friend is a violin maker).
Edit: Just noticed 'fish' in the post subject...Sorry, I've not had much sleep.
Edit: Just noticed 'fish' in the post subject...Sorry, I've not had much sleep.
Wu Kae
What do you mean by more time? Are you refering to the amount of heating time in making it of drying time after it is applied?
Matt
What do you mean by more time? Are you refering to the amount of heating time in making it of drying time after it is applied?
Matt
Sorry about that Wu Kai I should have used an "i".
Mutt
I live on the YunGui Highland,so I can find only fresh water fish in my montainous province,carp for example.I use what I can find. ''more time'' means that you need a little more time for the bladders to melt.You will find there is no much difference.
Istead,I use more hide glue ,because it is much cheeper.In my city ,often fish bladders are 60 to 400 times the price of pig skin.Baffallo skin is three times the price of pig skin.Tendon is as cheep as baffallo skin(20yuan per KG),so I made a lot of glue with it.
Unluckily,I don't know whether tendon glue can be used on a hornbow,or which part of the bow I should use it(To glue siyahs with core?to glue horn with core ?to glue sinew to bow?).Who knows?
Good luck,man!
I live on the YunGui Highland,so I can find only fresh water fish in my montainous province,carp for example.I use what I can find. ''more time'' means that you need a little more time for the bladders to melt.You will find there is no much difference.
Istead,I use more hide glue ,because it is much cheeper.In my city ,often fish bladders are 60 to 400 times the price of pig skin.Baffallo skin is three times the price of pig skin.Tendon is as cheep as baffallo skin(20yuan per KG),so I made a lot of glue with it.
Unluckily,I don't know whether tendon glue can be used on a hornbow,or which part of the bow I should use it(To glue siyahs with core?to glue horn with core ?to glue sinew to bow?).Who knows?
Good luck,man!