Turkish Quivers - my latest project
Dear all,
while my bows are still drying I finally got the time to finish my little project on Turkish quivers (one is sill in process). I got inspired by the book "Tuerkenbeute", by some ATARNOS and after some visits in European and Chinese Museums. For the leather work I met an interesting old fellow in Shanghai who knows to work with leather very, very well.
Best regards
Reto
Some sources:
http://www.lederhaus.de/nieten/concho.php
http://www.tuerkenbeute.de/sam/sam_waf/
http://www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=5069
http://www.comune.bologna.it/cultura/pe ... 790&lang=1
while my bows are still drying I finally got the time to finish my little project on Turkish quivers (one is sill in process). I got inspired by the book "Tuerkenbeute", by some ATARNOS and after some visits in European and Chinese Museums. For the leather work I met an interesting old fellow in Shanghai who knows to work with leather very, very well.
Best regards
Reto
Some sources:
http://www.lederhaus.de/nieten/concho.php
http://www.tuerkenbeute.de/sam/sam_waf/
http://www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=5069
http://www.comune.bologna.it/cultura/pe ... 790&lang=1
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Hi Reto,
wundersch?ne Teile! Hast du die Bambussch?fte auch selbst gemacht?
Peter
wundersch?ne Teile! Hast du die Bambussch?fte auch selbst gemacht?
Peter
Wow, these are really nice!
very nice work. Reto, small loops for arrow holding on the front side of quiver are original solution?? Strap system on backside is interesting too. I know only pictures and photo from the front side. It is delight for me :wink:
Excellent work! I wish I could work with leather to make stuff like that. I don't understand the reason for the inner straps.
Jose,
The straps on the inner side of the quiver are an original feature of Turkish quivers. They help keep the quiver upright when the arrows are longer than the body of the quiver.
They are particularly useful on horseback where the angle of the arrows is important because the arrows otherwise hit the bow in the bow case as you ride. Even miniature paintings show this problem in the rare paintings showing a horse archer from the rear of the horse.
The straps on the inner side of the quiver are an original feature of Turkish quivers. They help keep the quiver upright when the arrows are longer than the body of the quiver.
They are particularly useful on horseback where the angle of the arrows is important because the arrows otherwise hit the bow in the bow case as you ride. Even miniature paintings show this problem in the rare paintings showing a horse archer from the rear of the horse.
Thanks for the explanation. Now that I think, that?s a common problem for quivers without that help.
Sorry if I bump an older post, but I haven't been in here for some time and I see Reto's outstanding, brilliant quivers for the first time. These are so beautiful Reto I am speechless really.Again you have produced something excellent! Thank you for sharing this wonderfull pictures with us.
What was the extra "arrow pocket" for?
Was it added for the simpel reason so that the quiver should hold as many arrows as possible..?
...or was the intention to carry and keep separate two different kinds of arrows for different purposes (target and hunting)?
Very nice quivers, Reto! Looking forward to see more artwork from you.
Was it added for the simpel reason so that the quiver should hold as many arrows as possible..?
...or was the intention to carry and keep separate two different kinds of arrows for different purposes (target and hunting)?
Very nice quivers, Reto! Looking forward to see more artwork from you.
The extra arrows on the front might serve both purposes, maybe flu-flu arrows. You can get them ready at hand in a different place than the rest.
It?s a clever idea that increases the amount of arrows at . I don't know if Turkish quivers had this feature or if it's an original idea.
I want to say that Reto kindly agreed to sell one of these quivers for me, and I got it a few days ago. The quality is excellent and the design flawless. I need to take pictures sometime, but maybe I'll wait until I receive my new bow.
Thank you, Reto :?
It?s a clever idea that increases the amount of arrows at . I don't know if Turkish quivers had this feature or if it's an original idea.
I want to say that Reto kindly agreed to sell one of these quivers for me, and I got it a few days ago. The quality is excellent and the design flawless. I need to take pictures sometime, but maybe I'll wait until I receive my new bow.
Thank you, Reto :?
Congrats to your Reto-quiver, Jos?! I would love to have one if his quivers as well. :)
It would be very interesting to know if the the outside pocket was an original idea or a modern invention...
What bow are you waiting for, Jos?? Is it the Crimean Tartar horn bow from Lukas Novotny?!
It would be very interesting to know if the the outside pocket was an original idea or a modern invention...
What bow are you waiting for, Jos?? Is it the Crimean Tartar horn bow from Lukas Novotny?!
... I also finished a 5th quiver, here some pics
... One I sold to South America....
... end/fin
Reto; Very nice. Those look like painted arrows. Can we see a closeup?-j-
Those are beautiful..........very nice work.
For Jos?.
The external pockets on Turkish and Persian quivers start appearing around 1400 in paintings and many surviving quivers have them. In paintings, they are usually shown with normal arrows in them. Abriş arrows (flu-flus) were practice arrows and would not be carried in a war or hunting quiver. Sometimes unfletched arrows with heavy points are shown in the outside pocket with more normal arrows. These are amaji arrows. They were used in sport for qighaj shooting (shooting at a target on the ground at full gallop) and in battle for short range armour penetration.
Originally Mongol open quivers are shown with a square window cut in the outside face of the quiver and arrows are sometimes thrust through the opening. In experimental tests, I found this made it easier to pull out selected arrows without looking at the quiver. Later the pocket appeared. It served the same purpose but more efficiently. In the 17th century in China under the Qing, three slits were cut in the outer face of the quiver to hold three special arrows.
In Tibet and Qajar Persia, two openings were made in the outside face of some quivers to hold two special arrows. Slits in the outside face of the quiver are often combined with pockets in Iran. In these quivers, the unflecthed amaji arrows are kept in a special hole high up towards the front edge of the quiver.
The external pockets on Turkish and Persian quivers start appearing around 1400 in paintings and many surviving quivers have them. In paintings, they are usually shown with normal arrows in them. Abriş arrows (flu-flus) were practice arrows and would not be carried in a war or hunting quiver. Sometimes unfletched arrows with heavy points are shown in the outside pocket with more normal arrows. These are amaji arrows. They were used in sport for qighaj shooting (shooting at a target on the ground at full gallop) and in battle for short range armour penetration.
Originally Mongol open quivers are shown with a square window cut in the outside face of the quiver and arrows are sometimes thrust through the opening. In experimental tests, I found this made it easier to pull out selected arrows without looking at the quiver. Later the pocket appeared. It served the same purpose but more efficiently. In the 17th century in China under the Qing, three slits were cut in the outer face of the quiver to hold three special arrows.
In Tibet and Qajar Persia, two openings were made in the outside face of some quivers to hold two special arrows. Slits in the outside face of the quiver are often combined with pockets in Iran. In these quivers, the unflecthed amaji arrows are kept in a special hole high up towards the front edge of the quiver.
Thanks for the info.