ATARNarchive

Turkish Flightbow

14 posts2007live thread
wolfhorn123
Hello everybody,

Have somebody experience with Turkish Flightbows ?
I want to make one.
If somebody knows about measurements, length, thickness, width, from the core, hornthickness and Sihays length and angle, please let me know.
I think they have much reflex, like an Korean Bow, is that right ?

Hope for answers.

Thank you
scemdonmez
Turkish flight bow is more reflex and shorter than war and target bows. İts look like Korean bow when strung.İts shape name is crescent moon( Turkish =Hilal kuram)

ntn=111.5 cm( from belly)
tip=8.7cm
kasan=19.6cm
sal=21.6cm(2.9 width,1.3thickness)
grip=11.7cm

İt is original measurement, but it was building as a archer's body.

Cem
wolfhorn123
Thank you.

But what you mean with tip 8.7 cm ?
And what means kasan and sal ?.

Please can you explain me.

Thanks
scemdonmez
Sorry, I mean unstrung, not strung.( Thanks Adam K.)

Turkish flight bows grip is straight or less reflex, only sal is reflex.
Korean bow grip is reflexed.

I mean grip lenght is 8.7cm.( end kasan to end tip)

Turkish flight bows core has not same thickness and width, core has different two shape, sal and kasan.
Sal :bending section (Turkish=release)
Kasan:unbending section.(Turkish=to tight)

Kasan and Sal are varied for different bows and it is so complicated.

Siyah looks like kasan+tip

Cem
M Hardman
Out of interest what was the usual draw length of a Turkish flightbow/target bow/war bow?,

Also for anyone interested, Wales Archery Specialists at Crick Manor, Wales are in possesion of what looks to me to be a Turkish flightbow and it also looks to be original (due to the state of the decoration on the limbs). I'm not too sure if they know what it is or if it has ever been strung in recent memory.

Mike
Bede
Mike,
There were several types of draw used with the Turkish bow, but I do not believe anyone drew the nock of the arrow any further than the ear. Some drew to the corner of the lower jaw and some to the corner of the mouth.

Adam Karpowicz and I have had several discussions about this. He can comment on how his bows perform which is important evidence since they are so close to original bows in construction and proportions.

Stance also has an effect on draw length. Then same person can change their drawlength by changing their stance. Your draw is shorter if you face the target than if you stand sideways to it.

Despite what Klopsteg writes, Turkish flight arrows vary in length. I have had a chance to look at quite a few. For me, using a siper and drawing until the tip of the arrow was in the centre of the groove, I drew a 25.5 inch flight arrow so that the nock and thumb ring just touched the side the lobe of my ear. I am short however and other people might not draw so close to the ear. This was standing sideways to the target.

The picture next to my name shows such a bow partly drawn. A quick jerk gets the arrow to full draw just before you release.
M Hardman
I assume then that each individual bow was made to fit the archer, are there any Turkish bows in existance that would be capable of drawing to my 32-34" drawlength? If there was such a bow could you possibly point me in the direction of its dimensions, this would save me a great amount of time in scaling up a design from a smaller bow

Many thanks

Mike
Andrew Hall
Mike

Have you considered a Crimean-Tatar style bow? There is one in the Grayson Archery collection (MAC 1994-0656) that was collected with some 34" arrows (MAC 1994-0745). You should be able to see them via the on-line database http://anthromuseum.missouri.edu/databases.shtml

Regards

Andrew
M Hardman
Many many thanks for that link, i'm amazed that I had managed to pass that site by before

I'm positive I can get dimensions for my next set of bows from here,

again thanks

mike
Tanakan

yokhua wrote:

This is a bow I nearly finished, its brace high is much lower then war bow. hope it can deliver arrows far far away.

http://photo.xuite.net/jang.yokhua/145151/62.jpg

http://photo.xuite.net/jang.yokhua/1451 ... pg#picture

http://photo.xuite.net/jang.yokhua/1451 ... pg#picture

http://photo.xuite.net/jang.yokhua/145151/65.jpg#pictur

If someone knows better, please give me some comments. especially where I was not doing right. Thanks

Beautiful. I must ask you this how did you do that bows backs(sinew side) are so smoothly straight. is it kind of polish material with
yokhua
Actually no polish or polish material used at all. when sinew is wet and attached, there is also not any wraping at all. Just leave it dry out itself then move on for the next layer.
But sinew must be combed throughly till all line up then wait for it to dry a little bit to "right" condition then attach on the bow back. I can't tell you here cause it takes experience to judge the critical moment.

Anyway, I have to say, the sinew must be combed properly, using fingers only is impossible to achieve a good sinew work.

http://photo.xuite.net/jang.yokhua/1451 ... pg#picture

http://photo.xuite.net/jang.yokhua/1451 ... pg#picture

http://photo.xuite.net/jang.yokhua/1451 ... pg#picture

http://photo.xuite.net/jang.yokhua/1451 ... pg#picture

Yokhua
Tanakan
what kind of point are you considering. Could you mention it a bit.
yokhua
The point is to let glue absorbed sinew to "gel" a little bit. I may have a plan to go to Turkey this May or June. If I can go, I will show you then.

Yokhua