Saracen Archery

The link does appear to be the same book, although missing the introduction, a couple of chapters, glossary, index etc and probably breaking the copyright.

For a hard copy, AbeBooks (http://www.abebooks.co.uk) have a few listed.

Regards

Andrew
(Note: the link mentioned by Andrew has been deleted as it points to a pirated copy of the book. ATARNO)

Before his death, Prof. Latham left the manuscripts and research material of Saracen Archery with me, with the express wish that I would revise and re-issue it. That would be a challenge at the moment. Also, the manuscript is on paper and needs to be input electronically. I cannot get onto it at the moment; but it should be a longer-term project.

Now that we have active traditional archers in Turkey, I am optimistic that this project could be carried out, and maybe published bilingually in Turkey.

Further discussion welcome.

Stephen,
there is already a trilingual text of the Qipchaq version of Taybugha's manuscript published in Turkey. It has a facsimile of the original text, a transliteration of the Qipchaq Turkish into Roman characters, a Modern Turkish translation and an excellent English translation.

This version misses some chapters in the Latham and Paterson translation, but contains much of the shooting instructions.

Bede,
is that text still in print? If so where might I aquire it from?

Stephen,
I await a re-print eagerly, I hope that will drive the prize down to a reasonable amount.

Mike

I assume Bede is referring to "A 14th-Century Archery Treatise in Mamluk-Kipchak: Kitab fi ?Ilm an-Nushssab", by Kurtulus ?ztop?u. Istanbul, 2002, ISBN 975-7981-14-1.

This is a translation of a manuscript which is very similar to Tayburga, either based on it or they were both based on common earlier works.

I got my copy from a Turkish book shop on eBay. They have none listed at the moment.

Andrew

Andrew is correct. That is the book I mean. Taybugha's original book spawned many copies and variants. It was still being quoted in the 19th century.

Taybugha himself probably spoke Qipchaq Turkish as well as Arabic. Latham and Paterson comment that there are colloquialisms and grammatical clumsiness which suggest he was not a native Arabic speaker and sometimes had difficulty with the written form of the language.

He was probably a Turk from the Qipchaq Steppe, imported as a slave through Western Anatolia, which might explain the use of the word Yunani in his full name. Taybugha is a Turkish name. Yunani is a reference to Ionia, the Western shoreline of Anatolia in Classical times. This was a common way for Mamluks to be recruited. They were purchased as boys, trained as soldiers and freed on attaining maturity. Then they served in the military force of their former owner.

I believe it is still available in Turkey. Perhaps Murat or Cem can advise us.

http://www.bulak.com.tr/kitapgoster.asp?kitapkod=14865

The book advertised here has the same ISBN that Andrew gave, I assume the language is Turkish but I can't translate it. Does anyone have a good translator so I could understand what it says?

Mike

Mike

It just gives basic details. It does not even give a cost for it - you seem to be able to order it but need an account.

I bought a copy of this from an Ebay seller, along with a few others. I can't find his details for you though.

Neil

I have scanned " Saracen Archery " about 68mb

Hi,

I have found it on some german archery forum, as .pdf copy, so I can forward it in a few pieces/chapters on e-mail adress.

Regards

There's an online copy on this site:

http://www.sacred-archery.com/downloads.htm

but I don't know about the copyright status (whether it's legal to download it or not, or even to put it up publicly like that in the first place).

All the urls listed in this topic are not working :(

I have a copy of this book that i get from my friend Alastair 6 years ago. I never thought to scan it due to copyright rules but i copied it to some friends several times.Am very interested in A 14th-Century Archery Treatise in Mamluk-Kipchak: Kitab fi ?Ilm an-Nushshab too.
Best regards,

mongolianarcher ... you have a PM .

a variety of on-line books , articles and links to books is to be found here ,

http://www.tuba-archery.com/resources.html

Thank you Tom, i searched for Archers of Islam for years and years and i found it now.
Best regards.

This link seems to be broken now or the site is unattainable.

Ken wrote:

This link seems to be broken now or the site is unattainable.

I noticed that at times I was able to download material so perhaps try Monday to Friday during the day , UK time . It does seem to be hit and miss though .

Does anyone have a link for downloading Saracen Archery.all the link i've found for this book doesn't work anymore!